[governance] PINGO
Norbert Bollow
nb at bollow.ch
Tue May 13 07:55:24 EDT 2014
Jefsey <jefsey at jefsey.com> wrote:
> At 20:51 12/05/2014, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
> >To reach rough consensus means that there are many parties which did
> >not get what they wanted.
>
> I suggest we work first on a more precise terminology [...]
> As an example the term "rough concensus" is totally
> inadequate as being out of scope. A rough concensus is evaluated by a
> Chair and subject to an appeal procedure.
+1
Also, a key element of rough consensus processes is that those who are
critical of a proposal must be given the opportunity to explain what in
their view is wrong with the proposal, and there must be a culture of
listening to and considering such arguments.
“Rough consensus” means that after listening to and considering the
arguments of those who hold critical views, there is still an
overwhelming majority in support of the proposal.
In my opinion, rough consensus processes are a very valuable tool when
institutionalized in a proper context, as is the case e.g. in IETF.
Using the term “rough consensus” for what happened at NetMundial is in
my view not only factually wrong, but also comes with a significant
risk of muddying the waters to the point where it becomes near
impossibly difficult of explaining to people what rough consensus
processes are and why the outcome documents of (genuine!) rough
consensus processes should be considered to have significant weight and
credibility -- within the scope of the expertise that is broadly
distributed among the group that has reached rough consensus (which
scope is of course rather limited in the case of the IETF.)
Greetings,
Norbert
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