[governance] PINGO

Sun May 11 20:58:39 EDT 2014

Wolfgang,

Just to correct/clarify some historical footnotes...2 dynamic coalitions launched at the 2nd IGF in Rio in 2007, one on a (Bill of) Internet Rights, and one on  a Framework for Internet Principles; which we agreed to merge at the 3rd IGF in Hyderabad in 2008.  

That then carried forward as the Dynamic Coalition on Internet Rights and Principles; from which work began on the Charter on Internet Rights and Principles, or it evolved from the Internet Bill of Rights drafts depending upon ones point of view; accelerating at 4th IGF in Egypt in 2009...and rest is history with Dynamic Coalition's Internet Rights and Principles Charter released in long and short form in 2011. 

It has evolved since then with a 2nd edition which of course is far from the only such statement; but perhaps was the only one translated into 22 languages way back when.

Obviously I agree that progressing from the many dispersed statements into a short summary of (shared) Internet principles is a significant accomplishment of NetMundial.

Bravo to all for that accomplishment - however imperfect any of us might find an individual phrase here or there, fact of its existence and broad endorsement is still something to celebrate.

Lee

PS: Of course if my attempt to clarify historical footnotes adds new errors...please everyone feel free to correct me. I was trying to browse the Hyderabad agenda to refresh my memory but not finding it up 
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To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Oksana Prykhodko
Subject: AW: [governance] PINGO

Yes you can do and see you at EURODIG in Berlin.

w

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Dear Wolfang,

Thousand of thanks for excellent summary! On 16 May we will have our round
table at Ukrainian Parliament, devoted to the Information Society Day. Can
we translate your article into Russian and share it at our round table?

We missed you in Sao-Paolo (as well as in Singapore)!

Best regards,
Oksana

On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Marie GEORGES <marie.georges at noos.fr>wrote:

> Excellent...
> Many thanks for those precisions
> MG
> Le 11 mai 2014 à 19:22, Jefsey a écrit :
>
>  At 10:42 11/05/2014, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
>
> here is my view how to deal with the section on Internet Principles of the
> NetMundial Sai Paulo Declaration.
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140510_pingo_net_mundial_adopts_principles_on_internet_governance/
>
>
> Thank you for this document which is an excellent historical political
> (but not technical) summary. As a result, I am afraid there are in your
> text:
> * an explicit bug: in *Towards a Soft Law Approach*, point 2: "All
> parties support the historically grown architectural principles of an open
> Internet (e2e)"
> * an implicit bug: there is no mention of the ICANN/NETIA strategic BUG
> (wanting to be unilateral global).
>
> The second one is a well known one. The fist one is less known as it is
> not necessarily technical: it is the confusion many make between the end,
> edge and fringe. What to you mean by e2e, most probably end to end and not
> edge to edge. While in reality if the internet service provision is end to
> end, it use is fringe to fringe, and its problems mostly come from the
> unballance in consideration brought to the edge providers.
>
> Please note that if you consult the well documented wikipedia page on the
> End to End principle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle)
> you will seach "edge" and "fringe" in vain while RFC 1958 (Architectural
> Principles of the Internet) states that "The network's job is to transmit
> datagrams as efficiently and flexibly as possible. Everything else should
> be done at the fringes" and does not consider edges.
>
> IRT. edges, the best definition I found is CISCO's: "The Internet edge is
> the network infrastructure that provides connectivity to the Internet, and
> that acts as the gateway for the enterprise to the rest of the cyber
> space".
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/Internet_Edge/InterEdgeOver.html
>
> As long as politicians confuse end, edge, fringe, apps, and brains (where
> naming roots) we will not be able to work any consensually stable and
> acceptable solution. This is not because VGNs have not been
> identified/accepted so far as the main constituant type of the digital
> system that it is not it.
>
> jfc
>
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