AW: [governance] PINGO

["Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"]

Yes you can do and see you at EURODIG in Berlin.

w



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org im Auftrag von Oksana Prykhodko
Gesendet: So 11.05.2014 20:15
An: IG Caucus; Marie GEORGES
Cc: Jefsey
Betreff: Re: [governance] PINGO
 
Dear Wolfang,

Thousand of thanks for excellent summary! On 16 May we will have our round
table at Ukrainian Parliament, devoted to the Information Society Day. Can
we translate your article into Russian and share it at our round table?

We missed you in Sao-Paolo (as well as in Singapore)!

Best regards,
Oksana



On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Marie GEORGES <marie.georges at noos.fr>wrote:

> Excellent...
> Many thanks for those precisions
> MG
> Le 11 mai 2014 à 19:22, Jefsey a écrit :
>
>  At 10:42 11/05/2014, Kleinwächter, Wolfgang wrote:
>
> here is my view how to deal with the section on Internet Principles of the
> NetMundial Sai Paulo Declaration.
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20140510_pingo_net_mundial_adopts_principles_on_internet_governance/
>
>
> Thank you for this document which is an excellent historical political
> (but not technical) summary. As a result, I am afraid there are in your
> text:
> * an explicit bug: in *Towards a Soft Law Approach*, point 2: "All
> parties support the historically grown architectural principles of an open
> Internet (e2e)"
> * an implicit bug: there is no mention of the ICANN/NETIA strategic BUG
> (wanting to be unilateral global).
>
> The second one is a well known one. The fist one is less known as it is
> not necessarily technical: it is the confusion many make between the end,
> edge and fringe. What to you mean by e2e, most probably end to end and not
> edge to edge. While in reality if the internet service provision is end to
> end, it use is fringe to fringe, and its problems mostly come from the
> unballance in consideration brought to the edge providers.
>
> Please note that if you consult the well documented wikipedia page on the
> End to End principle ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-to-end_principle)
> you will seach "edge" and "fringe" in vain while RFC 1958 (Architectural
> Principles of the Internet) states that "The network's job is to transmit
> datagrams as efficiently and flexibly as possible. Everything else should
> be done at the fringes" and does not consider edges.
>
> IRT. edges, the best definition I found is CISCO's: "The Internet edge is
> the network infrastructure that provides connectivity to the Internet, and
> that acts as the gateway for the enterprise to the rest of the cyber
> space".
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/Internet_Edge/InterEdgeOver.html
>
> As long as politicians confuse end, edge, fringe, apps, and brains (where
> naming roots) we will not be able to work any consensually stable and
> acceptable solution. This is not because VGNs have not been
> identified/accepted so far as the main constituant type of the digital
> system that it is not it.
>
> jfc
>
>  ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>     governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> To be removed from the list, visit:
>     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
>
> For all other list information and functions, see:
>     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>     http://www.igcaucus.org/
>
> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
>      governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> To be removed from the list, visit:
>      http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing
>
> For all other list information and functions, see:
>      http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
> To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
>      http://www.igcaucus.org/
>
> Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t
>
>


-------------- next part --------------
____________________________________________________________
You received this message as a subscriber on the list:
     governance at lists.igcaucus.org
To be removed from the list, visit:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing

For all other list information and functions, see:
     http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance
To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see:
     http://www.igcaucus.org/

Translate this email: http://translate.google.com/translate_t