[governance] RE: [discuss] FW: Comcast undertakes 9 year IETF cosponsorship!?

Suresh Ramasubramanian suresh at hserus.net
Sat Mar 22 13:19:36 EDT 2014


Widely understood by you and who else?

And does whoever it is know routing a. Doc peering much?


On 22 March 2014 10:31:51 pm "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure why it might be a "snide insinuation".
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> It seems quite explicit that the IETF and ISOC, two of the major pillars of
> multistakeholderism which is so vehemently being promoted by the US
> Government and its followers in the tech and civil society communities as a
> replacement for democratic governance of the Internet, have long histories
> of accepting payments from Comcast a major US corporation which is widely
> understood as being among the least ethical and possibly most active in
> undermining US policy and regulatory processes in support of its own narrow
> economic self-interests (increasingly encompassing the Internet).
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> http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/corruption-distortion-control-comcasts-r
> eal-life-house-of-cards-238904
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> InfoWorld Home <http://www.infoworld.com/>  / Notes from the Field
> <http://www.infoworld.com/blogs/robert-x.-cringely>  / Corruption,
> distortion, control: Comcast's...
>  <http://www.infoworld.com/blogs/robert-x-cringely> Robert X. Cringely
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> March 21, 2014
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> Corruption, distortion, control: Comcast's real-life 'House of Cards'
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> The frenzy over the proposed Time Warner merger hides damning details of
> Comcast's power-hungry moves
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> By Robert X. Cringely
> <http://www.infoworld.com/author-bios/robert-x-cringely>  | InfoWorld
> <http://www.infoworld.com/>
> Let's talk about Comcast, he said, hands trembling and the big vein in his
> forehead throbbing like a jungle drum. I hit the FCC's Net neutrality
> delusion
> <http://www.infoworld.com/t/cringely/railroads-superhighways-and-the-fight-f
> air-access-237815>  in a previous post, where FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler
> interpreted the Supreme Court's Net neutering decision as giving the FCC
> even broader powers of control over the big Internet providers instead of
> the steel-toed kick to his crotch it really is. Complete double-talk seems
> to the standard for the Internet provider business these days.
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> Comcast is a perfect example of a we-don't-care, double-talking, slavering,
> rampaging telecom/cable monstrosity that's using this consumer-crippling
> legislation to topple our competitive choices like Godzilla strolling
> through Tokyo. It's only going to get worse. Sure, there are tinfoil hats
> preaching ridiculous Comcast conspiracies, but maybe the wingnuts are on to
> something, even if they're starting out from pothead premises.
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> The deal that's been in the news the most recently is Comcast's move to
> devour Time Warner Cable. You'd think Time Warner might not be superhappy
> about this deal, but its CEO, Rob Marcus, got up at the Deutsche Bank Media,
> Internet and Telecom Conference held earlier this month in the highly
> industrious locale of Palm Beach, Fla., and enthused that the $45 billion
> merger will put all of us in happy-happy land.
>
> Newsflash: It won't. Rather, get ready to be dumped into
> hugely-screwed-douche-broom land. The deal means that Comcast is set to
> service about two-thirds of the American population with both Internet and
> entertainment. How many of those folks are going to have an actual,
> practical choice?
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> Comcast spreads it tentacles
> Tellingly Marcus has been Time Warner's CEO for only about two months, and
> recently leaked information on his compensation package shows that he stands
> to make robber baron money if the merger goes through -- to the tune of
> about $80 million
> <http://bgr.com/2014/03/20/comcast-twc-merger-news-ceo-marcus/> . How could
> he possibly be biased? I know I'm a cynical old fart, but is it loony to
> suspect that Comgraft may have had a hand in getting this guy a key to the
> executive bathroom? If there was any justice, he'd have to write a
> resignation letter right this minute with ink made from rectal blood and
> salty tears.
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> The fate of U.S. Internet pipes isn't all that's on the block. With Net laws
> castrated as they currently are, Comcast can also opt to bully content
> providers and control what you can and can't access on what amounts to its
> Internet. In a recent blog post, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings sounds like he's
> complaining about this trend -- never mind he's already validated it.
> Netflix complained of degraded throughput to its customers about a month
> ago, then paid Com-lie an exorbitant extortion fee, and presto! Its service
> quality was magically restored. Hastings and Comcast paint this as a big win
> for consumers, but they're actually saying we're as dumb as a bag of
> hammers.
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> Doesn't seem very snide or insinuatory to me.
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> And yes, most non-corrupted public policy processes are publicly funded with
> appropriate degrees of transparency and accountability and with clear
> boundaries between public interests and private interests guarded with
> varying degrees of ferocity by laws governing conflicts of interest and
> suborning of public officials and public policy processes.  What isn't made
> clear in the overwhelming forces and banshee howling of support for MSism is
> that at its heart it is an attempt to foist the generally acknowledged as
> corrupted US telecom policy and regulatory system on the Internet and on the
> world.
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> And a question for you and all the other multistakeholderists-is this what
> you want for Global Internet Governance?
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> M
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> From: discuss-bounces at 1net.org [mailto:discuss-bounces at 1net.org] On Behalf
> Of McTim
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:07 AM
> To: Michel Gauthier
> Cc: 1Net List
> Subject: Re: [discuss] FW: Comcast undertakes 9 year IETF cosponsorship!?
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> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Michel Gauthier <mg at telepresse.com> wrote:
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> At 02:45 22/03/2014, McTim wrote:
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> If you are trying to make an argument by quoting rfc3869 and then quoting a
> page from the ISOC website I think you will have to do better than that, as
> one is related to research and the Comcast partnership is about IETF
> meetings and other activities.  ISOC itself doesn't do research in the way
> that DNS-OARC or CAIDA or others do it.  ISOC does surveys mainly and
> recently economic effects of IXPs, etc.
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> If you would prefer public funding for IETF activities, then please state
> that, otherwise, one can't tell what your argument is all about.
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> I only do my collection, analysis and reporting job after sorting real,
> tricky, naive and noisy inputs, on this and other equivalent lists or fora
> where real infuencing strategies are observable.
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> So far, you are not even speculating that there is an 'influencing
> strategy", you are merely posting random factoids seemingly in support of
> the other MGs snide insinuations.
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> To my knowledge DNS-OARC is a private club
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> This has nothing to do with what I pointed out about them, that they do
> research of the kind that you suggested that the IETF does.
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> of which the interest in users support is characterized by its
> https://www.dns-oarc.net/oarc/services/dnsentropy page which states: "On
> August 7, 2008, Dan Kaminsky <http://www.ioactive.com/kaminsky.html>  will
> release additional details about these poisoning attacks. "
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> another tangental red-herring.
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> CAIDA membership is beyond financial access to FLOSS IUsers and corporations
> interested in their market, what is my focussed area.
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> This doesn't mask the fact that they do research on 'future Internet issues"
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> My question to you still stands.
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> How would you like the IETF to be funded??
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> rgds,
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> McTim
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