[bestbits] Re: [governance] IGC press release in response to the NTIA announcement of March 14

Sun Mar 16 13:49:23 EDT 2014

Dear Suresh

Thank you.  I agree that this is not a call for affirmative action, but
could cause to set a pattern in our thinking that could eventually lead to
the situation of a call for affirmative action. If you agree that some
rewording is in order, the wordings could come from your own  reply :  You
mentioned "inclusiveness and consensus building";  We could also use words
like "global", "all", "universal", "impartial"

Thank you.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

> Affirmative action which you refer to does have its benefits and its
> pitfalls, yes.
>
> However I didn't read a call for affirmative action as much as a call for
> inclusiveness and consensus building in the statement.  Which call I would
> support
>
> Perhaps some rewording is in order,
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 16-Mar-2014, at 23:07, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> IGC supports the multistakeholder policymaking model to the extent that it
>> does not contradict the ideals of democracy, including due consideration to
>> the rights of minorities (in the context of Internet policy)
>
>
> "to the extent that Mutli-stakeholder model contradict the ideals of
> democracy"?  Multi-stakeholder model is expanded democracy, the next step
> in the further evolution of democracy. Is there room for this model to
> contradict the ideals of democracy???
> 
> "consideration of rights of minorities" - If this is a Global process,
> open for participation from all stake-holders, from every nation, the
> policies that would emerge out of the process is bound to be balanced. The
> intention behind this thought about the "rights" of minorities might be
> noble, but as unintended consequences, this idea of special attention could
> lead to politicization of the process. In India the intention to protect
> minority interests began with policies of special attention, special laws
> and reservation of seats for minorities in education, work and politics and
> this move to ensure social justice has also caused some imbalance in a
> certain way; In the US, the Government's openness to representation by
> Special Interest and Lobby groups, at least occasionally, results in a
> situation where the amplified voice of the lobby group wins over the muted
> voice or silence of others. Certainly a global process can not create a
> situation where minorities would be neglected, but this needs to be
> achieved in a manner that does not complicate the goodness of the process.
> Instead of mentioning "minorities" we could say "all"
>
> Sivasubramanian M
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Stephanie Perrin <
> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> +1 Avri.  I was thinking "fundamental" might work but I like "essential "
>> better, I think.
>> I was wondering if it would be worthwhile also so reiterate the values
>> that are mentioned in the press release, or a broader statement of values.
>>  We need to hang on very strongly to the "free and open" etc. values, it
>> does not go without saying in a multi-stakeholder model.
>>
>>
>> Stephanie
>>
>> On 2014-03-16, at 8:28 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15-Mar-14 20:42, Ian Peter wrote:
>> >> 2. I wouldn’t describe the role of technical organisations as “primary”
>> >> – administrative perhaps?
>> >
>> >
>> > I do not think that the role of the IETF, is administrative.  Perhaps
>> Primary has a connotation of most important that you want to avoid, but
>> creating and maintaining the protocols that make the Internet possible is a
>> bit more than administration.
>> >
>> > Perhaps 'essential role' would work?  Does not rank things (many
>> ingredients can all be essential) but does admit that without them, we have
>> nothing.  Critical would be another possible word, but that word seem to
>> carry more connotations than essential.
>> >
>> > I support such a press release as long as it does not back off the
>> notions of multistakeholder particpatory democracy - albeit they are still
>> unfolding.  It is good to indicate that off course this does not work out
>> the same in all contexts (aka not one size fits all), but we ought to
>> persist in defining that full participation by all stakeholders in the
>> process is essential.
>> >
>> > avri
>> >
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