<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Dear Suresh</font></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Thank you. I agree that this is not a call for affirmative action, but could cause to set a pattern in our thinking that could eventually lead to the situation of a call for affirmative action. If you agree that some rewording is in order, the wordings could come from your own reply : You mentioned "<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">inclusiveness and consensus building"; We could also use words like "global", "all", "universal", "impartial"</span></font></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(51,51,51)"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Thank you.</font></span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank">suresh@hserus.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Affirmative action which you refer to does have its benefits and its pitfalls, yes.</div><div><br>
</div><div>However I didn't read a call for affirmative action as much as a call for inclusiveness and consensus building in the statement. Which call I would support </div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps some rewording is in order,<br>
<br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 16-Mar-2014, at 23:07, Sivasubramanian M <<a href="mailto:isolatedn@gmail.com" target="_blank">isolatedn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Hello</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,51,51)">
<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">IGC supports the multistakeholder policymaking model to the extent that it does not contradict the ideals of democracy, including due consideration to the rights of minorities (in the context of Internet policy)</span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size:13px"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">"to the extent that Mutli-stakeholder model contradict the ideals of democracy"? Multi-stakeholder model is expanded democracy, the next step in the further evolution of democracy. Is there room for this model to contradict the ideals of democracy???</font></span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">"consideration of rights of minorities" - If this is a Global process, open for participation from all stake-holders, from every nation, the policies that would emerge out of the process is bound to be balanced. The intention behind this thought about the "rights" of minorities might be noble, but as unintended consequences, this idea of special attention could lead to politicization of the process. In India the intention to protect minority interests began with policies of special attention, special laws and reservation of seats for minorities in education, work and politics and this move to ensure social justice has also caused some imbalance in a certain way; In the US, the Government's openness to representation by Special Interest and Lobby groups, at least occasionally, results in a situation where the amplified voice of the lobby group wins over the muted voice or silence of others. Certainly a global process can not create a situation where minorities would be neglected, but this needs to be achieved in a manner that does not complicate the goodness of the process. Instead of mentioning "minorities" we could say "all"</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000">Sivasubramanian M</font></div><div class="gmail_default">
<font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Stephanie Perrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1 Avri. I was thinking "fundamental" might work but I like "essential " better, I think.<br>
I was wondering if it would be worthwhile also so reiterate the values that are mentioned in the press release, or a broader statement of values. We need to hang on very strongly to the "free and open" etc. values, it does not go without saying in a multi-stakeholder model.<br>
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Stephanie<br>
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On 2014-03-16, at 8:28 AM, Avri Doria wrote:<br>
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> On 15-Mar-14 20:42, Ian Peter wrote:<br>
>> 2. I wouldn’t describe the role of technical organisations as “primary”<br>
>> – administrative perhaps?<br>
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> I do not think that the role of the IETF, is administrative. Perhaps Primary has a connotation of most important that you want to avoid, but creating and maintaining the protocols that make the Internet possible is a bit more than administration.<br>
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> Perhaps 'essential role' would work? Does not rank things (many ingredients can all be essential) but does admit that without them, we have nothing. Critical would be another possible word, but that word seem to carry more connotations than essential.<br>
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> I support such a press release as long as it does not back off the notions of multistakeholder particpatory democracy - albeit they are still unfolding. It is good to indicate that off course this does not work out the same in all contexts (aka not one size fits all), but we ought to persist in defining that full participation by all stakeholders in the process is essential.<br>
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