CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

[michael gurstein]

I think that your/the ISO definition confirms/is consistent with Deidre`s initial statement (and my comment about cats and pigeons—both of whom in their own way ``can affect`` or ``are affected by… an activity``).

 

M

 

From: Peter H. Hellmonds [mailto:peter.hellmonds at hellmonds.eu] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:32 AM
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: williams.deirdre at gmail.com; michael gurstein; McTim; Mawaki Chango
Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

 

It may be useful to refer to some of the definitions proposed by ISO, the International Standards Organization, such as this one:

 

2.27

stakeholder

any individual, group or organization that can affect, be affected by, or perceive themselves to be affected by a decision or activity

[SOURCE: ISO Guide 73:2009, 3.2.1.1, modified — The NOTE has been deleted.]

 

This particular guide is quoted in:

ISO/IEC TR 38502:2014(en)

Information technology — Governance of IT 

 

 

On 31 Jul 2014, at 18:20, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

Fair enough

--srs (iPad)




On 31-Jul-2014, at 21:31, williams.deirdre at gmail.com wrote:

 

I agree with you. But it is frequently perceived as being money or property of some kind, and it would be good to avoid confusion as much as possible. 

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From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:19:34 

To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; michael gurstein<gurstein at gmail.com>

Cc: McTim<dogwallah at gmail.com>; Deirdre Williams<williams.deirdre at gmail.com>; Mawaki Chango<kichango at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

 

Tangible, concrete investment can mean just active involvement in a process, and contribution of personal expertise, time and effort to it.

 

--srs (iPad)

 

On 31-Jul-2014, at 21:04, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hmmm... do cats announce their intentions to pigeons?

 

M

 

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From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of McTim

Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:22 AM

To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Deirdre Williams

Cc: Mawaki Chango

Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

 

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:

 

<snip>

 

I would propose that a great part of the difficulty of definition is 

caused by the word "stakeholder", because a stakeholder is seen as 

being one with a tangible, concrete investment in a process.

 

I don't think that is the case at all.  I've never seen or heard anyone in IG make that kind of statement.

 

 

rgds,

 

McTim

 

 

 

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