CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process
michael gurstein
gurstein at gmail.com
Wed Jul 30 10:36:08 EDT 2014
Two comments on this below…
The first is that the ``Multistakeholder`` description includes ``users`` but not ``non-users`` i.e. everyone else…
Since for better or for worse everyone in the world is now impacted in one way or another by the Internet whether they are ``users`` or not, some means for eliciting/facilitating/enabling participation in these processes by (current) non-users must be included in these formulations. That such was not provided for in the original NetMundial statement is I think a significant and negative reflection on the ultimate composition of the NetMundial meeting itself and particularly of those who drafted the statement.
The second is that I would have thought that you should have included in your statement the commitment from the NetMundial document that the Internet is to be ``managed in the public interest``… It seems to me that this statement provides a basic metric against which to measure all subsequent formulations and outputs including those of the IGF even in the absence of any clear agreement on what might be specifically meant by this phrase.
M
From: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] On Behalf Of Ian Peter
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Deirdre Williams; Internet Governance; Mawaki Chango
Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process
Here’s what was agreed to at Netmundial. I personally have no problem with any of this, does anyone?
What I think we need to add to this comes from the discussion Parminder started, in response to Avri’s posting, as regards limits to multistakeholder application to final decision making in some instances. But if we are all happy with what is below, we have a very good start. We could then look at the areas where we see limits to applicability and the need for further clarification.
Ian Peter
FROM NETMUNDIAL
INTERNET GOVERNANCE PROCESS PRINCIPLES
· Multistakeholder: Internet governance should be built on democratic,
multistakeholder processes, ensuring the meaningful and accountable
participation of all stakeholders, including governments, the private sector,
civil society, the technical community, the academic community and users.
The respective roles and responsibilities of stakeholders should be
interpreted in a flexible manner with reference to the issue under discussion.
· Open, participative, consensus driven governance: The development of
international Internet-related public policies and Internet governance
arrangements should enable the full and balanced participation of all
stakeholders from around the globe, and made by consensus, to the extent
possible.
· Transparent: Decisions made must be easy to understand, processes must
be clearly documented and follow agreed procedures, and procedures must
be developed and agreed upon through multistakeholder processes.
· Accountable: Mechanisms for independent checks and balances as well as
for review and redress should exist. Governments have primary, legal and
political accountability for the protection of human rights
· Inclusive and equitable: Internet governance institutions and processes
should be inclusive and open to all interested stakeholders. Processes,
including decision making, should be bottom-up, enabling the full involvement
of all stakeholders, in a way that does not disadvantage any category of
stakeholder.
· Distributed: Internet Governance should be carried out through a distributed,
decentralized and multistakeholder ecosystem.
· Collaborative: Internet governance should be based on and encourage
collaborative and cooperative approaches that reflect the inputs and interests
of stakeholders.
· Enabling meaningful participation: Anyone affected by an Internet
governance process should be able to participate in that process. Particularly,
Internet governance institutions and processes should support capacity
building for newcomers, especially stakeholders from developing countries
and underrepresented groups.
From: Deirdre Williams <mailto:williams.deirdre at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:36 AM
To: Internet Governance <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; Mawaki Chango <mailto:kichango at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process
I have a suggestion which I hope won't be considered too flippant. There's a game, at least in English, for whiling away long car journeys, in which the participants take turns to suggest adjectives, in alphabetical order, for "the parson's cat".
Our "parson's cat" is "multistakeholderism"
My turn first - I suggest that an attribute of multistakeholderism is "inclusive", that we share a common understanding that multistakeholderism is (or should be) a way towards more inclusive participation in the IG debate and decision making.
Next person - either suggest another attribute that you think we perceive in common, or take what I proposed and qualify it as you think necessary - "but ....", or both.
This way we can build up a list of attributes in common while at the same time being made aware of the reservations and exceptions that people may have.
Could that work?
Deirdre
On 29 July 2014 11:05, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
I personally endorsed the use of that phrase earlier on the basis, and only on the basis, that this is work in progress, that we are right in this thread and in a couple of others related seeking to hammer out a common understanding. So I have been listening and hope I am being listened to as well. There will be a point where we might reach and declare some common understanding or we will have to acknowledge our failure to reach such outcome.
Are we there yet?
Mawaki
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
Is there really a common understanding of multistakeholderism? I don't
think so, and I would further suggest that it will be a good starting
point to acknowledge that currently there are several different
understandings of multistakeholderism, and to therefore start listening
to each other with a goal of learning how others may understand
“multistakeholderism” differently.
Greetings,
Norbert
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 10:31:29 -0400
Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for common understanding.
> Deirdre
>
>
> On 29 July 2014 10:16, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am ok with "common understanding" (putting the emphasis in my last
> > sentence below on the term "understand" rather than on
> > "definition'.) Note: at times some may also refer to it as working
> > definition, whatever designation people are comfortable with works
> > fine for me, but I like the modest and cooperative tone in "common
> > understanding".
> >
> > Mawaki
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Nnenna Nwakanma
> > <nnenna75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Should we seek "a common understanding" instead of "definition"?
> >>
> >> Just asking
> >>
> >> N
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Mawaki Chango
> >> <kichango at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva <
> >>> Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Ian, probably multistakeholder is not defined yet because it is
> >>>> composed of two words multiple-stakeholders. And stakeholder too
> >>>> is composed of two words stake-holder. Technically then,
> >>>> Multistakeholder is composed of three words
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It's a totally different question as to whether
> >>> "mutistakeholderism" needs to be defined despite being made up of
> >>> parts that are familiar. And I think all definition questions
> >>> boil down to people struggling to understand precisely what
> >>> "mutistakeholderism" is or should be.
> >>>
> >>> Mawaki
> >>>
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