CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process

[Ian Peter]

Trying to go back to the original discussion -

I hear all the reasons why we can’t avoid discussing equal footing. But the beginning here was the idea of a consensual statement on multistakeholderism – I think we should work on that, with as good a reference to equal footing as we can agree on at this stage, rather than divert to trying to develop a common position on what equal footing means.

Because I think we can get somewhere on a multistakeholderism statement. 

Ian

From: Mawaki Chango 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:58 AM
To: Internet Governance ; McTim 
Subject: Re: CS consensual statement on MSism WAS Re: [governance] Vint Verf tells us the conclusion of the complex IANA transition process


McTim,

You keep making this point that all the woes of MSism come from, and only from, the ITU/WSIS breed.
First of all, I'd contend that the constituency-based approach at ICANN was and still is an instance of MSism. Don't take my word for it; as soon as the WSIS process made the term 'multistakeholder' fashionable, we've heard it a lot reclaimed in ICANN's ranks. So much so that they have now re-devised their old constituency groupings into stakeholder groupings. However, as far as I know, ICANN only dealt with its direct stakeholders as organization, that is, the domain name industry, the technical community (security and stability aspects of the net), and the business, particularly via the lenses of IPR issues. 

Yes, I'm aware of the very early failed attempt at direct voting by end users for their reps on the board of directors, but after that it took many years for the Noncommercial user constituency to be recognized (only as part of the GNSO community) and for ICANN itself to get the ALAC structures going. (Please feel free to correct me or complete if I'm missing any major aspect of things here; I'm just summarizing on the flight.) At the end of the day, constituencies and stakeholders at ICANN have also had to be divided into separate groupings with an identity label -- and so it was before WSIS started.

Was that then a perfect instance of MSism which ITU-WSIS came to spoil? I just once to have this clarified once for all as to what you exactly mean everything you point to ITU as having put the worm in the fruit (or whatever colloquialism I'm missing to remember correctly here) by delineating stakeholder groups as it did during the WSIS process. 

Beyond that, I'd also appreciate if you can give references or pointers to any clear formulations (e.g, RFC or excerpt of charter, of rules and operating procedures of relevant groups, or other informal text that may have served for guidance in implementing MSism, etc.) of instances of MSism you deem successful or which should be taken as reference (such as any version of "MSism that built and developed the Internet for the last 3+ decades.") My apologies if that has been done before, as I suspect it could have.


Thanks and cheers,


Mawaki



On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

  All,



  On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
  > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 07:44:26 -0700
  > "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >> In other words "equal footing for foxes and hens", sounds pretty good
  >> in theory, in practice not so good (for the hens... exceptionally
  >> good for the foxes...
  >
  > Equal footing means that the hens must not use their wings to try to
  > escape?
  >
  > SCNR (=Sorry, could not resist.)
  >
  > On a more serious note, how should the following be classified?
  >
  > During the drafting process for the Paris WSIS+10 outcome document, the
  > UNESCO guy running the process essentially simply turned deaf ears to
  > the proposal to include a reference to the civil society WSIS
  > declaration alongside the governmental one.



  We have to keep in mind that the "MS" IG processes which emanate from
  Geneva are not the same sort of MSism that built and developed the
  Internet for the last 3+ decades.  Those are the models we should be
  using, NOT the ones that come from Geneva.




  --
  Cheers,

  McTim
  "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
  route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel


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