[governance] Re: [bestbits] Fwd: Re: [discuss] cgi.br release regarding Brazil Global MSM on Internet Governance
Jean-Louis FULLSACK
jlfullsack at orange.fr
Mon Jan 13 05:47:17 EST 2014
I support Parminder's clearly documented end expressed opinion about the non-role of 1net in the course of the Brazil Global MS Meeting preparatory process. CS doesn't need a mediator for developing some "IG middleware" under the umbrelle of ICANN and endorsed by it. It has to play its fundamental role as a partner on equal footing with govenrments, international institutions and private sector if the MSH basic principles -referred to in the Meeting title- are respected.
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Jean-Louis Fullsack
> Message du 13/01/14 05:29
> De : "parminder"
> A : governance at lists.igcaucus.org, "Carlos A. Afonso"
> Copie à : "Best Bits"
> Objet : Re: [governance] Re: [bestbits] Fwd: Re: [discuss] cgi.br release regarding Brazil Global MSM on Internet Governance
>
>
> On Sunday 12 January 2014 09:35 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> > The obvious meaning is simply that the two structures (CGI.br and the
> > /1Net platform) are helping to organize the meeting -- they do not "own"
> > it. The phrase could be better written, I agree.
> >
> > BTW, as soon as the committees are formed and start their work, the
> > local organizing group (LOG) will lose its meaning and will dissolve.
> > But I think this is obvious too.
>
> I continue to see it as absolutely problematic how civil society
> leadership went about making or not making the needed relationships with
> the Brazilians in terms of having a central and equal part in organising
> the Brazil meeting - a mandate that was given to it since about a month
> before Bali, and continually over the subsequent 2 months or so. And how
> easily they abdicated this role to ICANN. This may have its unfortunate
> impact on the 'Brazil meeting'. I have a relatively better
> understanding, and even some sympathy, for the circumstances of need and
> real politik that the Brazilians felt, which has led to this decision
> whereby 1Net - a fictional and/ or programmed entity created by ICANN -
> is now a co-organiser of the meeting on equal terms with the Brazilians.
>
> In fact, rather *in preference to* this arrangement, I would have
> ICANN co-hosting this meeting with the Brazilians. In that case at least
> everyone would know who is who. And yes, ICANN is of course pretty
> important is the scheme of things. But whatever be its other good
> points, it does not have a fraction of similar 'honest broker' image as
> the Brazilians do, which was the reason that the proposed Brazilian
> meeting evoked such an excitement and anticipation. The shift to an
> ICANN co-ownership may be dictated by needs of real politiks but also
> causes considerable loss. Hopefully the loss does not outweigh the
> advantage, if any. One does understand that moving ahead on transforming
> global governance of the Internet will as much be about open and honest
> dealings, as it will be about real politik, and if it is ICANN which is
> coming out with a part of the solution (only a part, since bigger issues
> lie outside the areas ICANN deals with), it may be accepted that they
> have a big role in the meeting that deals with this solution (hopefully
> among others, pertaining to larger real policy issues).
>
> On the other hand, 1Net is a fictional entity which IMHO is supposed
> to give a multistakeholder wrap to ICANN's intentionality and agency -
> and a very significant part/ aspect of this multistakeholder wrap or
> clothing is the legitimacy of civil society. This is what worries me.
> (What is referred here to as 'ICANN's intentionality and agency' itself
> may be a bigger and complex construct, but lets not digress.) A very
> big part of global civil society inter alia sees huge problems with
> ICANN-US relationship, and the ideology that wraps that relationship and
> also underlies other major axes of global control/ governance of the
> Internet. Confronting this ideology as well as the associated
> illegitimate levers of control vis a vis the global Internet is among
> the major tasks that this part of civil society sees for itself. The
> artificially created/ foisted so-called multi-stakeholder space of 1Net
> is not at all conducive to this civil society and its purposes and
> activities. I can explain why and how, but that would extend this
> already long email.
>
> Enough to say, that it is best that 1Net takes no further substantive
> role in the Brazil meeting now that the various meeting committees will
> soon be in place. Let it work outside the official meeting space as it
> wishes to develop common positions, or whatever, which will have to
> considered "on an equal footing" with other positions coming from
> elsewhere. It will be unacceptable for the outputs from 1Net to be
> specially privileged, with the justification that they are inclusive,
> since it is multistakeholder entity, which includes civil society, and
> so on.
>
> The surreptitiously slipped in, and entirely unnecessary, role of 1Net
> in forming the Brazil meeting committees was bad enough. You heard Ian
> Peter as leading the coordination committee of four
> civil society groups saying that he intends to send the civil society
> nominations directly to LOG (perhaps copying 1Net as a kind gesture).
> The message there should be clear.
>
> My organisation (and there are many others) will be glad to get a
> confirmation from the Brazilian organisers, CGI.Br. that similar
> completely unnecessary roles will not be constructed for 1Net when the
> tasks of listing participants, and, even more importantly, sorting
> substantive inputs, channelising them, and developing final meeting
> outcomes, come up. Especially once the Brazil committees are in place, I
> dont see any role that 1Net needs to play within the meetings 'official
> space'. It is different if ICANN is helping the organisers with some
> logistics and so on. But, I fail to see what role 1Net which is really
> just an elist plus, now, a 20 member steering committee, with no other
> organisational form or resources, could play. But if there is some
> continued official role for it, let us know it clearly upfront, rather
> than be constantly surprised as we have been with the back and forth on
> who is dealing with the committee nomination processes.
>
> Carlos, as you can well make out, this query is primarily addressed to
> the core Brazilian organisers, or the CGI.Br. I have the email id that
> you published to contact the organisers. However, I am not sure how it
> works and who reads its messages and responds, I therefore request you
> and Hartmut to pass this on to whoever you think should read it, and get
> a response for us.
>
> Thanks, and best wishes.
>
> parminder
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > frt rgds
> >
> > --c.a.
> >
> > On 01/11/2014 03:19 AM, parminder wrote:
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [discuss] cgi.br release regarding Brazil Global MSM on
> >> Internet Governance
> >> Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:45:00 +0530
> >> From: parminder
> >> To: discuss at 1net.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday 11 January 2014 09:49 AM, John Curran wrote:
> >>> 1net Participants -
> >>>
> >>> There appears to be an updated announcement regarding the Brazil
> >>> meeting -
> >>> http://www.cgi.br/brmeeting/announcement2.html
> >>
> >> from the announcement.
> >>
> >> "The meeting is a partnership between CGI.br and /1net."
> >>
> >> So, John, do you still hold that 1Net is yet only a discussion space and
> >> it is upto its steering committee to make it what it wants to.... Most
> >> respectfully, but can we at least now shed this fiction... But of course
> >> I will be told now - what can 1Net do if the Brazilians are intent on
> >> thrusting this momentous role on 1Net? Of course 1Net did not ask for
> >> this role, for there is no 1Net. But then are we allowed to make guesses
> >> who did, nay insisted, nay extracted it. Why dont we just play open and
> >> fair... Everyone has the right to put their views out forcefully, to
> >> make alliances with whoever they can, but this is not that...
> >>
> >> This is completely disregarding 4 key civil society networks who said at
> >> Bali - and then formally through a letter - that they were not going
> >> through 1Net but want to be directly involved in the Brazilian meeting.
> >> So, civil society is told, no... your views do not count... And a non
> >> existent 1Net is told, well, you take over.... One is really
> >> disappointed. This was not what President Rousseff started with. We were
> >> trying to make a new start. Seek new directions on where global Internet
> >> should go...
> >>
> >> parminder
> >>> FYI,
> >>> /John
> >>>
> >>> Disclaimer: My views alone.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> discuss mailing list
> >>> discuss at 1net.org
> >>> http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> discuss at 1net.org
> >> http://1net.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
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