[governance] Nomination of Parminder

Thu Jan 9 14:53:03 EST 2014

Shaila,

I was there and my (always inadequate) memory is consistent in outline with Parminder’s description as confirmed by Jeremy and Deidre.

However, as with any event outside of the normal flow there are multiple perspectives based on where one was physically (and psychologically/emotionally) located at the time of the event (cf. Rashoman <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect> )… 

Could we also agree, as various people have been suggesting, that it is now time to lay this episode to rest once and for all.

M

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Subject: Re: [governance] Nomination of Parminder

HI 
I was not at Bali so I am not aware of what transpired. 

I follow a lot of the threads of discussion even though I'm not as vocal as I intend to be.

Can any one provide an objective account of what transpired ??

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On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:24 AM, Guru गुरु <Guru at ITforChange.net> wrote:

On 01/09/2014 09:25 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:

+1 Sala... 

This thread is becoming destructive and 
"off course".   (i.e. 41 posts on this issue in the last 24-30 hrs.) 

13 are from a single person - Suresh Ramasubramaniam... who should have long been suspended from IGC, applying the charter rules, for being a troll. 

Like Mike I have no way of knowing if he is being paid for continuously, consistently attacking one person, many times through ad hominem attacks and lies, but there is no doubt in my mind that he with the help of some of his friends, have been able to paralyse and make ineffective this caucus, which is a far bigger loss for civil society

Guru

Hopefully we can refocus ... Please.. 

On 1/9/2014 8:29 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: 

Daniel, Suresh, Michael, 

Calling a 24 hour time out please! The discussions are not constructive! It might help to think how our posts and discussions can help in building up instead of always tearing down. Words are powerful vehicles. No one is more important than the other, everyone is equal and whilst we all have the right to freely express ourselves, we have to exercise some level of restraint. 

Sala 

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On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian  <mailto:suresh at hserus.net> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote: 

Last post out of far too many I've made here. 

1. I react - mostly to certain people, on certain topics - because propaganda, unless countered, if left unchallenged, wins.  As long as you have people who, by their own admission, treat this as a political exercise, what they do has to, on principle, be strongly opposed. 

2. I agree that these discussions have distracted us from something vitally important - actual participation in the process and making meaningful contributions. Which is why my first contribution to this topic was to endorse Adam's candidature for this nomination. 

thanks 
--srs (iPad) 

On 09-Jan-2014, at 18:09, Daniel Pimienta  <mailto:pimienta at funredes.org> <pimienta at funredes.org> wrote: 

Beyond that - are you saying I had a hand in Izumi san not being co co any longer? Or is this some other individual you have in mind? 

I am obviously refering to Norbert Bollow who resigned in spite the facts many people asked him to reconsider and who was also subject 
of your insisting expressions. 

Nothing personal with you as in my large civil society career I have often met people like you whose purpose is to 
discredit any civil society attempt to build something useful; the difference is that in almost all the case civil society was able 
to overcome differences of visions to resist to such permanent agressions (do you realize your are from far the number one poster 
in this list reacting to every single mail and quite often manipulating facts or positions as you did with my last mail?) 
and in this very context there is no such containding consensus (this is why one wonders what interests are using you). 

But I suppose we could admit together that what is at stake is much beyond persons (Parminder, Norbert, you or whoever) 
as we all are just  holder of public positions (even sometines stereotypes) and avoid creating a new thread on this personal oriented discussion. 

So I wish we could agree to come back to the real stakes and let the diversity express across people without taking fingers pointed as threats. 

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