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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Shaila,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was there and my (always inadequate) memory is consistent in outline with Parminder’s description as confirmed by Jeremy and Deidre.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, as with any event outside of the normal flow there are multiple perspectives based on where one was physically (and psychologically/emotionally) located at the time of the event (cf. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashomon_effect">Rashoman</a>)… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could we also agree, as various people have been suggesting, that it is now time to lay this episode to rest once and for all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org [mailto:governance-request@lists.igcaucus.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>shaila mistry<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 10, 2014 2:30 AM<br><b>To:</b> governance@lists.igcaucus.org; Guru </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Mangal","serif"'>गुरु</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>; Ian Peter<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] Nomination of Parminder<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>HI <br>I was not at Bali so I am not aware of what transpired. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I follow a lot of the threads of discussion even though I'm not as vocal as I intend to be.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Can any one provide an objective account of what transpired ??<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>regards<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Shaila Rao Mistry</span><span 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style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:purple'>..................... the renaissance of composure !</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thursday, January 9, 2014 8:24 AM, Guru </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Mangal","serif";color:black'>गुरु</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <<a href="mailto:Guru@ITforChange.net">Guru@ITforChange.net</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv5669621491><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 01/09/2014 09:25 PM, Ken Stubbs wrote:<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>+1 Sala... <br><br>This thread is becoming destructive and <br>"off course". (i.e. 41 posts on this issue in the last 24-30 hrs.) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>13 are from a single person - Suresh Ramasubramaniam... who should have long been suspended from IGC, applying the charter rules, for being a troll. <br><br>Like Mike I have no way of knowing if he is being paid for continuously, consistently attacking one person, many times through ad hominem attacks and lies, but there is no doubt in my mind that he with the help of some of his friends, have been able to paralyse and make ineffective this caucus, which is a far bigger loss for civil society<br><br>Guru<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv5669621491yqtfd47258><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hopefully we can refocus ... Please.. <br><br><br><br>On 1/9/2014 8:29 AM, Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro wrote: <br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Daniel, Suresh, Michael, <br><br>Calling a 24 hour time out please! The discussions are not constructive! It might help to think how our posts and discussions can help in building up instead of always tearing down. Words are powerful vehicles. No one is more important than the other, everyone is equal and whilst we all have the right to freely express ourselves, we have to exercise some level of restraint. <br><br>Sala <br><br>Sent from my iPad <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Jan 10, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net" target="_blank"><suresh@hserus.net></a> wrote: <br><br>Last post out of far too many I've made here. <br><br>1. I react - mostly to certain people, on certain topics - because propaganda, unless countered, if left unchallenged, wins. As long as you have people who, by their own admission, treat this as a political exercise, what they do has to, on principle, be strongly opposed. <br><br>2. I agree that these discussions have distracted us from something vitally important - actual participation in the process and making meaningful contributions. Which is why my first contribution to this topic was to endorse Adam's candidature for this nomination. <br><br>thanks <br>--srs (iPad) <br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On 09-Jan-2014, at 18:09, Daniel Pimienta <a href="mailto:pimienta@funredes.org" target="_blank"><pimienta@funredes.org></a> wrote: <br><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Beyond that - are you saying I had a hand in Izumi san not being co co any longer? Or is this some other individual you have in mind? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>I am obviously refering to Norbert Bollow who resigned in spite the facts many people asked him to reconsider and who was also subject <br>of your insisting expressions. <br><br>Nothing personal with you as in my large civil society career I have often met people like you whose purpose is to <br>discredit any civil society attempt to build something useful; the difference is that in almost all the case civil society was able <br>to overcome differences of visions to resist to such permanent agressions (do you realize your are from far the number one poster <br>in this list reacting to every single mail and quite often manipulating facts or positions as you did with my last mail?) <br>and in this very context there is no such containding consensus (this is why one wonders what interests are using you). <br><br>But I suppose we could admit together that what is at stake is much beyond persons (Parminder, Norbert, you or whoever) <br>as we all are just holder of public positions (even sometines stereotypes) and avoid creating a new thread on this personal oriented discussion. <br><br>So I wish we could agree to come back to the real stakes and let the diversity express across people without taking fingers pointed as threats. <br><br><br>-- <br>This message has been scanned for viruses and <br>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is <br>believed to be clean. <br><br><br>____________________________________________________________ <br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br>To be removed from the list, visit: <br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a> <br><br>For all other list information and functions, see: <br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a> <br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: <br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> <br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>____________________________________________________________ <br>You received this message as a subscriber on the list: <br> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a> <br>To be removed from the list, visit: <br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/unsubscribing</a> <br><br>For all other list information and functions, see: <br> <a href="http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance" target="_blank">http://lists.igcaucus.org/info/governance</a> <br>To edit your profile and to find the IGC's charter, see: <br> <a href="http://www.igcaucus.org/" target="_blank">http://www.igcaucus.org/</a> <br><br>Translate this email: <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate_t" target="_blank">http://translate.google.com/translate_t</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br>--- <br>This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! 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