[governance] Russia demands Internet users show ID to access public Wifi

[Ken Stubbs]

You miss-interpret my words here Mwendwa ..

It is a matter of definition. I was referring to a "legal entitlement".

Your interpretation of the term is clearly different than mine.

This does not make my statement disreputable.

The UN commission on human rights states

" All human rights are indivisible, whether they are civil and political 
rights, such as the right to life,
equality before the law and freedom of expression; economic, social and 
cultural rights, such as the rights to work, social security and 
education ,
or collective rights, such as the rights to development and 
self-determination, are indivisible, interrelated and interdependent. "

It would appear that some parties feel that requiring identification 
represents a "restriction to access" which
you apparently define as a denial of human rights.

I am not at all comfortable with that definition.

Ken


On 8/9/2014 1:50 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva wrote:
> Ken, the statement "use of Internet is not a human right" is
> disreputable. When we say the Internet is a human right, we mean we
> should not restrict anybody from access. But all rights have
> limitations, like requiring public wifi users to identify themselves.
> But we should not deny anybody access
>
> On 09/08/2014, Ken Stubbs <kstubbs at afilias.info> wrote:
>> Let's be frank here...
>>
>> Use of the Internet is not a human right..
>> Countries have the right to enact laws which place certain requirements
>> for Internet access.
>>
>> We can have a discussion on limitations on the requirements, equality of
>> access, etc but, like it or not,
>> this ability to require identification is a legitimate right of that
>> country or domicile.
>>
>> I see it as no different than, in certain countries (like spain, etc.) ,
>> I am required to present a passport
>> (even if I pay cash in advance) to secure a hotel room.
>>
>> In both cases,I am giving up privacy in exchange for something of value.
>>
>> It is a continuing fact of life in today's times.
>>
>> Ken Stubbs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/9/2014 8:23 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
>>> Does anyone else have an opinion on this issue? Norbert and Chaitanya
>>> offer very different perspectives.
>>> Currently I'm sitting in an airport using public WiFi, but I had to be
>>> very well documented to get to this point.
>>> Deirdre
>>>
>>> On 9 Aug 2014 04:46, "Chaitanya Dhareshwar" <chaitanyabd at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:chaitanyabd at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      I don't see why this would be a human rights violation (speaking
>>>      from India pov) given the fact that:
>>>
>>>      1. You need to submit ID proof when you take an internet
>>>      connection at your residence/office
>>>      2. You need to product ID proof while using a cyber cafe
>>>
>>>      So since this regulatory aspect is already put in place one would
>>>      naturally expect that if there's some form of public wifi the
>>>      service provider would ask for ID proof...?
>>>
>>>      Best,
>>>
>>>      *Chaitanya Dhareshwar*
>>>      **
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>>>
>>>
>>>      On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch
>>>      <mailto:nb at bollow.ch>> wrote:
>>>
>>>          Reuters:
>>>
>>>          Russia demands Internet users show ID to access public Wifi
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/08/us-russia-internet-idUSKBN0G81RV20140808
>>>
>>>          In my view this is a clear human rights violation and
>>>          something that I
>>>          would expect us all to be able to agree to condemn.
>>>
>>>          May I request the IGC coordinators to coordinate some action
>>>          in regard
>>>          to this matter?
>>>
>>>          Greetings,
>>>          Norbert
>>>
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