[governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

Wed Apr 16 21:35:56 EDT 2014

Another interesting can of worms, that.

I do so love high sounding and wishy washy wording that falls apart when 
you look at it

On 17 April 2014 6:08:09 am McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> Who will do this "strict enforcement of open and public standards"?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
> <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> > Public versus publicly owned .. Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do
> > you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU?
> > Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards"
> >
> > --srs (iPad)
> >
> > On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
> >
> > what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the
> > word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?
> >
> >
> > If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer
> > your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and
> > Equitable Internet' (enclosed)
> >
> > "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and
> > public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by
> > anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software
> > (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed
> > and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned,
> > freely accessible and implementable. "
> >
> > I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further.
> >
> > No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public
> > standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much
> > earlier.
> >
> > parminder
> >
> >
> > Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked
> > document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and
> > usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more
> > words of their own...)
> >
> > The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
> >
> > Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual
> > and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open
> > consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable,
> > decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all.
> > Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and
> > innovation.
> >
> > (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)
> >
> > Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?
> >
> > Adam (in my individual capacity)
> >
> >
> > On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> >
> > Agree with Parminder.
> >
> > We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all
> > comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do
> > collaborative submissions?
> >
> > But I would not blame big business Parminder.
> >
> > Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also
> > problematic from a public-interest perspective.
> >
> > Anriette
> >
> >
> > On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
> >
> > And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public
> > standards' which was in the initial draft......
> >
> > I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that
> > has been put for public comments..
> >
> > Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard
> > anyone present it.
> >
> > This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to...
> > Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
> >
> > parminder
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
> >
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil;
> > it is not here in this document...
> >
> > And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by
> > those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net
> > neutrality is still there...
> >
> > Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which
> > figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both
> > places..
> >
> > Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been
> > removed..
> >
> > Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
> >
> > The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
> >
> > The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address
> > emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly
> > diluted...
> >
> > So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure
> > that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their
> > free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
> >
> > And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big
> > business or the US gov...
> >
> > Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European
> > Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in
> > different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were
> > listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
> >
> > There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of
> > multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in
> > the document clearly show.
> >
> > BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents)
> > seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global
> > commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
> >
> > What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To
> > endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says
> > multi-stakeholder....
> >
> > parminder
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
> >
> > Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
> > please re-read.
> >
> > --c.a.
> >
> > On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
> >
> > Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
> > for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
> > to help Nnenna?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
> > m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
> > <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> > +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
> >
> > best
> > MF
> >
> > On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
> >
> > Congrats Nnenna!
> >
> > Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
> > working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
> > particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
> > - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
> > :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
> > procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
> > because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
> > principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
> > governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
> > interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
> > framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
> >
> > You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
> > - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
> > and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
> > multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
> > get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
> > issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
> > is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
> > are not simply cosmetic.
> >
> > Anriette
> >
> > On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
> >
> > + 1
> > jeanette
> >
> > Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
> >
> > Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
> > *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma
> > <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
> >
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> > *To:* Governance
> > <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> >  ;
> >
> > mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> >
> > *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> > major issues
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
> > inviting me
> > to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> > one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
> >
> > I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> > perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
> >
> > There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
> > into
> > place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
> > issues
> > will be overlooked.
> >
> >
> > I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> > draft/keypoints will be Monday.
> >
> > Hope we can pull this off well.
> >
> > All for now
> >
> > Nnenna
> >
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> > anriette esterhuysen
> > anriette at apc.org
> >
> > executive director, association for progressive communications
> >
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> > Dr Marianne Franklin
> > Professor of Global Media and Politics
> > Convener: Global Media & Transnational Communications Program
> > Goldsmiths (University of London)
> > Department of Media & Communications
> > New Cross, London SE14 6NW
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> McTim
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