[governance] Re: [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society major issues

Wed Apr 16 20:37:26 EDT 2014

Who will do this "strict enforcement of open and public standards"?

On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> Public versus publicly owned .. Publicly owned too is vague enough .. but do
> you mean for example standards owned through the ietf rather than ITU?
> Still rather more clear than just stating "public standards"
>
> --srs (iPad)
>
> On 16-Apr-2014, at 21:40, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday 16 April 2014 09:16 PM, Adam Peake wrote:
>
> what is the value of "public" in "based on open public standards"?  Does the
> word public add clarity?  Does it tell us something otherwise missing?
>
>
> If it had no value, trust me, it wont have been removed... But to answer
> your question, I quote principle 10 of the 'Delhi Declaration for a Just and
> Equitable Internet' (enclosed)
>
> "An open and decentralized Internet requires strict enforcement of open and
> public standards. Open standards allow fully interoperable implementation by
> anyone in any type of software, including Free and Open Source Software
> (FOSS). The trend towards privatisation of digital standards must be stemmed
> and measures must be introduced to ensure that standards are publicly owned,
> freely accessible and implementable. "
>
> I hope this answers your question.. I can of course elaborate further.
>
> No we did not write principle just to spite those who removed the 'public
> standard' part from the draft :). This principle was of course written much
> earlier.
>
> parminder
>
>
> Drafts are there for comment and revision, one thing comments on the leaked
> document made quite clear is the need to shorten the final document (and
> usually the same group that said the document is too long then added more
> words of their own...)
>
> The relevant paragraph as it stands in the document for comment is:
>
> Internet governance should promote open standards, informed by individual
> and collective expertise and practical experience and decisions made by open
> consensus, that allow for a unique, interoperable, resilient, stable,
> decentralized, secure, and interconnected network, available to all.
> Standards must be consistent with human rights and allow development and
> innovation.
>
> (25, in http://document.netmundial.br/1-internet-governance-principles/)
>
> Is this weak? How can it be improved?  6 comments so far, are they helpful?
>
> Adam (in my individual capacity)
>
>
> On Apr 17, 2014, at 12:25 AM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Agree with Parminder.
>
> We need to comment on these omissions. Is best strategy for us to just all
> comment as individuals, or organisations, or to also try and do
> collaborative submissions?
>
> But I would not blame big business Parminder.
>
> Texts coming out of intergovernmental processes like the WSIS +10 are also
> problematic from a public-interest perspective.
>
> Anriette
>
>
> On 16/04/2014 12:08, parminder wrote:
>
> And yes, I forgot to mention, 'public' has disappeared from 'open and public
> standards' which was in the initial draft......
>
> I think we need to be discussing the draft netmundial outcome document that
> has been put for public comments..
>
> Can people tell me one good thing about the document... I have not heard
> anyone present it.
>
> This was the event that we invested so much in, looked so much forward to...
> Why we have not anything to say about the outcome document.
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 06:24 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> Carlos,
>
> Of course you know what net neutrality is - it is there in the Marco Civil;
> it is not here in this document...
>
> And even the half cock term 'neutrality' has been specifically removed, by
> those opposed to net neutrality, and you are trying to convince us that net
> neutrality is still there...
>
> Not only net neutrality has been removed, 'free flow of information' which
> figured twice in the earlier (leaked) draft has been removed from both
> places..
>
> Plus the mention of 'necessary and proportionate' principle (s) has been
> removed..
>
> Plus need for agreements on restraining cyber weapons have been removed...
>
> The part on access for disabled has been weakened...
>
> The recognition in the previous document of need for mechanisms to address
> emerging issues and those which do not have a existing home has been greatly
> diluted...
>
> So, the big business has done a thorough vetting of the doc to make sure
> that not a wisp of anything that could even potentially interfere with their
> free reign on the global Internet could pass through...
>
> And what happened to other suggestions form HLC members who are to big
> business or the US gov...
>
> Argentinian government and Indian government (and in a way also the European
> Commission) had asked for the insertion of the term 'democratic' in
> different places where the characteristics of Internet governance were
> listed.... But, no, that demand was not accepted...
>
> There is no place for democracy and democratic in the land of
> multistakeholderism, fronting or big business interests, as the changes in
> the document clearly show.
>
> BTW, India in its comments on the document (as per the leaked documents)
> seem to have also asked for a recognition of the Internet as a global
> commons... but of course no... what are you talking about!
>
> What are you asking the people of the world to do with this document... To
> endorse it and celebrate it just becuase in about 500 places it says
> multi-stakeholder....
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Tuesday 15 April 2014 05:19 PM, Carlos A. Afonso wrote:
>
> Carol, it was not "taken out" of the document. It is there, in detail,
> please re-read.
>
> --c.a.
>
> On 04/15/2014 08:10 AM, Carolina wrote:
>
> Pls, mention net neutrality which was taken out of the document put out
> for comments yesterday. More later. Should we consolidate all in a pad
> to help Nnenna?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:46 AM, Marianne Franklin <
> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk
> <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>
>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
> +1 from me re. Nnenna's role, and +1 from me re. Anriette's points below.
>
> best
> MF
>
> On 15/04/2014 19:44, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>
> Congrats Nnenna!
>
> Put on one of your fabulous outfits, and then remind them, that
> working inclusively and respectfully with all stakeholder groups,
> particularly those that lack power and influence - i.e. civil society
> - is very different from putting on a colourful West African outfit
> :) It takes hard work, change in behaviour, change in structures and
> procedures, consultation, respect, trust, debate, and struggle,
> because do not always agree. It also requires a common framework of
> principles that defines what the public interest is in internet
> governance that can be used to promote and protect this public
> interest across the internet governance ecosystem and it is this
> framework that we trust the NetMundial can get us closer to.
>
> You could also mention surveillance, with particularly - but not only
> - mass surveillance demonstrating how easy it is to destroy trust,
> and to deny accountability. And, is there any tougher test for
> multi-stakeholder internet governance? I think it would be good to
> get the message accross that the IANA transition is not the only
> issue that NetMundial should be discussing, but at the same time, it
> is a key opportunity to come up with solutions and approaches that
> are not simply cosmetic.
>
> Anriette
>
> On 15/04/2014 09:23, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>
> + 1
> jeanette
>
> Am 15.04.14 08:38, schrieb Ian Peter:
>
> Congratulations Nnenna – great choice!
> *From:* Nnenna Nwakanma
> <mailto:nnenna75 at gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 4:35 PM
> *To:* Governance
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>  ;
>
> mailto:bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
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> *Subject:* [bestbits] Nnenna to Keynote at Netmundial - Civil Society
> major issues
> Dear all,
>
> I got a message this morning from NetMundial Chair, Virgilo,
> inviting me
> to speak at the Opening Ceremony of Netmundial (meaning I have to pack
> one of those African dresses) for some 8 minutes.
>
> I have replied to say "I will be speaking from the Civil Society
> perspective, which is my Stakeholder Group".
>
> There is a Web Foundation media team that will help me put my ideas
> into
> place, but I cannot not request input from here, so that no major
> issues
> will be overlooked.
>
>
> I travel Thursday evening thru Friday, so the earliest I can share a
> draft/keypoints will be Monday.
>
> Hope we can pull this off well.
>
> All for now
>
> Nnenna
>
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