DMP} Re: [Final draft for final comments] Letter to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN
Martial Bavou
bavouc at gmail.com
Fri Sep 27 19:49:04 EDT 2013
I support
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Datum: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:54:53 +0530
Von: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
An: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
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Norbert
For some reason my emails are not reaching IGC. Can you pl forward this... parminder
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Subject: Re: DMP} Re: [Final draft for final comments] Letter
to Pres. Rousseff Re: [bestbits] [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech
at UN Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2013 20:49:51 +0530
From: parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>
To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org
<governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
resent since it seem not to have bene delivered the first time
On Thursday 26 September 2013 08:25 PM, parminder wrote:
>
> On Thursday 26 September 2013 07:38 PM, Joana Varon wrote:
>> Ok. so here is what we will do.
>>
>> 1) Item 4 will be changed to:
>> "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
>> multistakeholder model of Internet governance,led by CGI.br",
>
>
> How can one sign it without knowing what broader spheres should CGI.Br
> model be extended to? The criticism of Marco Civil process here tells
> me that the intention is that what marco civil process did -
> culminating in the parliament - should instead be done by CGI'Br.....
> That s killing democracy. If that is the intention, it should be made
> clear, and not be a kind of back door thing. If not so, pl tell us
> what other spheres are mean there.
>
> You must tell us which broader spheres do you want to extend it to....
> Before one signs one needs to know
>
> By this 'broader sphere' phrase you obviously do not mean global
> levels, which I agreed already that it can be extended to.... If you
> indeed mean 'global levels' then too pl make it clear.
>
> Anja also just asked for reference to multistakeholderism in terms of
> global IG.... which is fine..... But why does the text go to a very
> old formulation which is something about extending CGI.Br model to
> other IG areas in Brazil, which is not discussed, neither one is very
> clear about...
>
>
>
> parminder
>
>>
>> 2) Jeremy and I will send an email noting it to all the people who
>> already endorsed, noting this change and giving them the posibility
>> to withdraw their support (which I think will be unlikely). Well,
>> thats not the ideal process to do that. But, we will be happy to have
>> ICG, APC, etc supporting the statement and more important, we got
>> your points on the dangerous of the current version.
>>
>>
>> OK????
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> +1 to Anja's point.
>>
>> with this change I will recommend that it be signed by IGC and
>> groups I am a member of, and will sign it myself on the bestbits
>> site
>>
>> >From Carolina
>> > Pls, Avri, refer to CA and my email
>>
>> But since
>>
>> > not that it will change at this point, but it would be good to
>> be sure we have your language
>>
>> Not sure why we are still trying.
>>
>> Without a statement supporting a well formed multistakeholder
>> model, I do not want to contribute to a statement that seems to
>> me to approve the way Governments currently work.
>>
>> re:
>>
>> > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
>> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
>>
>>
>> Prefer the previous 4.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:51, Anja Kovacs wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Not sure which version you mean, Norbert, but if it is the one
>> in which point 4 starts as follows:
>> >
>> > "Reinforce our support for an extension into broader spheres of
>> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
>> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by CGI.br",
>> >
>> > My answer is yes, we would support that.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Anja
>> >
>> >
>> > On 26 September 2013 19:15, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > Yes, i would, I did, accept that, as it balances support to
>> the Marco Civil with support for the multistakeholder governance.
>> >
>> > When 4 was dropped it put the emphasis on approving the process
>> of the past as opposed to suggesting a way to improve in the
>> future.
>> >
>> > That works for me.
>> >
>> > avri
>> >
>> > On 26 Sep 2013, at 09:25, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> >
>> > > [with IGC coordinator hat on]
>> > >
>> > > Suppose the drafters of the letter were willing to backtrack
>> to this
>> > > version, would the IGC then be able to endorse the letter?
>> > >
>> > > Avri and Anja, do I understand correctly that your objections
>> would
>> > > be moot in this case?
>> > >
>> > > Parminder, are you firmly objecting to this version of point
>> 4, or would
>> > > the shortened version just have been strongly preferable from
>> your
>> > > perspective?
>> > >
>> > > Greetings,
>> > > Norbert
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> > >> Letter from International Civil Society Organizations to
>> President
>> > >> Dilma Rousseff in support of her statement at the 68th
>> Session of the
>> > >> UNGA
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Your Excellency,
>> > >>
>> > >> We, the undersigned organizations and individuals from
>> around the
>> > >> world, committed to the development of the Internet and its
>> use for
>> > >> advancing social and economic justice, would like to
>> > >> express our strong support for the statement delivered this
>> > >> week by your Excellency at the 68th Session of the United
>> > >> Nations General Assembly. We commend you for taking a
>> > >> leading role on these
>> issues
>> > >> and would like to:
>> > >>
>> > >> 1. Fully endorse the five principles enunciated on the
>> occasion, in
>> > >> clear accordance with the Brazilian Internet Steering
>> Committee's
>> > >> Principles for the Governance and Use of the Internet.
>> > >>
>> > >> 2. Stress the importance of the timely adoption of the
>> > >> Brazilian Draft Bill of Internet Rights (Marco Civil da
>> > >> Internet) in a
>> way that
>> > >> upholds these principles.
>> >
>> >
>> > >> 3. Commend the courage of Brazil in
>> > >> expressing disapproval and demanding explanations from the
>> USA about
>> > >> the procedures of illegal interception of information and
>> > >> data, framing it as a grave violation of human rights and
>> > >> of civil
>> liberties
>> > >>
>> > >> 4. Reinforce our support for an extension into broader
>> spheres of
>> > >> Internet Governance of the experiences from the Brazilian
>> > >> multistakeholder model of Internet governance, led by
>> CGI.br, which
>> > >> comprises representatives from Government, Scientific and
>> Technology
>> > >> Community, private sector and Civil Society on an equal
>> > >> footing.
>> > >>
>> > >> We express our deep appreciation for your serious
>> > >> commitment to social justice and development, of which an
>> > >> open, stable, and reliable Internet is a fundamental pillar.
>> > >>
>> > >> Signatories:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Diego Rafael Canabarro
>> > >> <diegocanabarro at gmail.com <mailto:diegocanabarro at gmail.com>
>> > wrote: Ian is helping Joanna and me in
>> > >> drafting this reduced optimal version. : ) On Wed, Sep 25,
>> 2013 at
>> > >> 10:33 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net
>> <mailto:suresh at hserus.net>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Agree. Stick to the first paragraph and we are all set.
>> --srs (htc
>> > >> one x) On 26 September 2013 6:14:04 AM "Louis Pouzin (well)"
>> wrote:
>> > >> Agree with Ian. This parag is all that matters. Louis - - -
>> On Thu,
>> > >> Sep 26, 2013 at 2:03 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com
>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com> > wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Ive just looked again at this and it is getting longer and
>> at the
>> > >> same time worse. I think it needs a very substantial edit.
>> Any more
>> > >> than two paragraphs and the chance of it being read is
>> meagre. To
>> > >> be honest, I think no more than this is necessary. – the
>> > >> first paragraph We, the undersigned organizations and
>> individuals from
>> > >> around the world, committed to the development of the
>> Internet and
>> > >> its use for advancing social justice, would like to express
>> > >> our strong support for the statement delivered this week by
>> > >> your Excellency at the 68th Session of the United Nations
>> > >> General Assembly. (reference the speech if you wish for
>> > >> those who
>> would
>> > >> like to read more, but dont repeat it, interpret it, and
>> elaborate on
>> > >> it). And specifically I dont think we need to talk post
>> Snowden,
>> > >> and demand apologies from the USA. That ain’t going to
>> happen. Ian
>> > >> Peter
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