[bestbits] Letter to Pres. Rousseff, was, Re: [governance] Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

[michael gurstein]

McTim, (and Anja and all

By my reckoning significant components of at least two (government and
technical community) stakeholders have been shown to be significantly
subverted by the directives of the NSA and related agencies to the point
where the outputs of past processes have to be viewed with considerable
suspicion (from the perspective of operating in good faith in support of the
public interest).  

Without some "redemptive" actions it is I think, equally not possible to
trust the outputs of these processes going forward. 

As for the third component stakeholder (Civil Society), since it would I
believe, be the easiest to subvert given its more or less completely porous
and largely informal nature hanging the legitimacy of MSism on the
contribution of Civil Society would I think be absurd.

I would agree with you "If you want a global treaty to stop governments from
spying on everything we do online, I think it foolish to leave it in the
hands of governments only!" but I see finding the appropriate modality for
this as a huge challenge to the creativity of all public interested actors
in the Internet space and not one that those of us with those concerns can
as yet rule out any possible solution. 

M

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Dilma Rousseff's speech at UN

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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:45 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
wrote:
> The Brazil statement is I think, an excellent including the references 
> in the context of governance to MLism rather than to MSism given the 
> ambiguity and bad faith which can be ascribed to many of the 
> particular uses (and
> users) of the latter terminology/methodology.
>
> The multilateral system has earned its spurs if nothing else through 
> the UNDHR and the work of such agencies as the WHO and UNICEF and in 
> their times the UNDP and UNESCO.
>
> The quite evidently subverted MSism of the Internet may by my 
> reckoning at this moment be something of a poisoned challice (if 
> nothing else through the potentially questionable motives (and 
> ideologies) of its most ardent governmental and other backers) and we 
> await its redemption through the
> (possible) mounting of a suitable response post-Snowden.

MSism needs no "redemption".  Just because one supporter of it got caught
doing dodgy things does not somehow tar the entire structure of Internet
policy making that has been built over decades.

I for one would object quite strongly to the Caucus supporting MLism over
MSism.  I think it was a fine speech but if we are going to write a letter
of support, we should note that we have always supported MSism.

If you want a global treaty to stop governments from spying on everything we
do online, I think it foolish to leave it in the hands of governments only!

--
Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route
indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel



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