[governance] stakeholder categories (was Re: NSA sabotage of Internet security standards...)

[JFC Morfin]

Hi! Avery,
I am afraid you lost me here.

At 20:22 18/09/2013, Avri Doria wrote:
>But if, under the leadership of one of our co-cos we get down to 
>determining who is and is not influenced as a determinant, I think 
>there will be a lot of things to look at, including my favorite - 
>who funds your so-called Civil society organization.

Is it a question to me? We were denied as an ICANN atlarge 
organization because we ... had no banking account.
T&L have a cost, fighting and winning only demand time.

>Also, for those who live in countries where the registration as an 
>NGO is state controlled and a perk of cooperation, I have questions 
>as to the degree of uninfluence those folks can ever really have.

I am afraid that in every country, starting with the US NGO 
organization registration is by the state? I am unclear about what 
you mean by "perk of cooperation".
Actually, my own favorite is who is footing your T&L.

>As for RFC 3869, civil society it could not speak of, and thereof 
>remained silent on the issue.

Why could it not speak of/up???
Please explain.

jfc






>On 18 Sep 2013, at 12:08, JFC Morfin wrote:
>
> > At 17:38 18/09/2013, avri doria wrote:
> >> What about those NGOs, research and educational enterprise that 
> get most of their funding from industry. Are they influenced? 
> Certainly ofif we were talking about lab testing of that industry's 
> products we would consider them influenced.
> >
> > Avri,
> >
> > this was perfectly addressed by RFC 3869.
> > RFC 3869 is realistically but incompletly updated by RFC 6852.
> > Both are explained by PRISM.
> >
> > The rule is simple: trust no one you do not trust for your own 
> life. Because it is actually your own life, sometime, somehow, 
> which may be at stake.
> > jfc
> >


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