[governance] US's oversight role

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

If you track a process from outside and criticize it - being sufficiently informed helps.

And not trusting the icann process makes a mockery of the stakeholders that do trust it, participate in it and hope to influence change from within .. which includes many people on this caucus.

--srs (iPad)

On 06-Sep-2013, at 15:41, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> 
>> Possibly.  However, trust aside, to criticize a process with specific
>> statements does demand active involvement in the process - in other
>> words, a lack of informed criticism is something I can get simply by
>> looking at the comments section of various newspapers.  You don't
>> need a civil society caucus, or policy focused NGOs, to come up with
>> such criticism.
>> 
>> Anything more nuanced than that - which I would ordinarily expect
>> from a policy statement - does require active participation in and
>> familiarity with the process.
> 
> Is this line of argument an elaboration of the position “outsiders
> should not criticize aspects of a governance process which make it
> impossible for them to trust that process”?
> 
> I would strongly assert that all governance processes must be designed
> for being trustworthy to outsiders, and that any violation of that
> principle goes very much against the fundamental values of democracy. 
> 
> I think that it's a fact of human nature that when things go wrong in a
> group, often only outsiders are able to see clearly what is going wrong.
> 
> Greetings,
> Norbert
> 
> 
>> On 06-Sep-2013, at 13:04, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>> 
>>> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> How much do you participate in the ICANN process parminder? I would
>>>> have thought you would need to actively participate in any process
>>>> at all, to understand it to any significant degree.
>>> 
>>> A trustworthy process is one where you don't need to personally
>>> participate in order to be able to understand it well enough to be
>>> able to trust it.
> 
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