[governance] Fw: [bestbits] Readout on meeting with technical community
Norbert Bollow
nb at bollow.ch
Tue Oct 22 00:14:16 EDT 2013
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Greetings,
Norbert
Beginn der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
Datum: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:58:45 -0200
Von: "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca>
An: Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com>, Best Bits
<bestbits at lists.bestbits.net> Betreff: Re: [bestbits] Readout on
meeting with technical community
Very good points, Mawaki -- shows you are closely following and
understanding this delicate and complex process.
Dilma today in her official twitter reinforced very clearly the goals
she defends for IG and for the meeting. The main tweets of today on
this, in my translation (Portuguese below):
[1] @dilmabr twitted: "Brazil defends an open, democratic and
participative Internet."
[2] Pres.Dilma Rousseff tweets in favor of "net neutrality without
...restrictions of any nature except technical and ethical criteria"
[3] Dilma Rousseff: [in favor of] the multistakeholder model, as we
already follow in Brazil.
[4] President Dilma Rousseff: "we want IG with participation of govs,
priv.sector and, *above all*, civil society."
In PT-BR:
[1] Dilma Rousseff @dilmabr O Brasil defende uma internet aberta,
democrática e participativa.
[2] Dilma Rousseff @dilmabr Defendemos neutralidade da internet.
Respeito critérios técnicos e éticos. Sem restrições políticas,
comerciais, religiosas, de qq natureza
[3] Dilma Rousseff @dilmabr O modelo chamado “multistakeholder”, como
já fazemos no Brasil.
[4] Dilma Rousseff @dilmabr Defendemos governança da internet
envolvendo governos, setor privado e, sobretudo, sociedade civil.
I think the speech at the High Level Meeting today by Brazil's minister
of communications reinforced this vision. Quite a surprise, considering
his opposite attitude on these views until very recently.
Do people still think the Brazil meeting will be "only Icann", or "led
by Icann", or will not seriously deal with these crucial issues? Our
main task as civil society organizations is organize ourselves to try
and build consensus to get deeply involved in the preparation of the
meeting. We ought to have a strong presence throughout the process, to
make good on Dilma's view that "we want IG with participation of govs,
priv.sector and, *above all*, civil society."
I tried to convince people of the "i*" group of the same, and I think
this is their consensus as well.
fraternal regards
--c.a.
On 10/20/2013 11:47 PM, Mawaki Chango wrote:
> I agree that there's no reason for us to proceed as if petitioning
> ICANN for acceptance of our claims to representation. After all,
> regardless of whose idea it was initially, Brazil is the sovereign
> that will host the summit and it has a track record for being
> inclusive of CS in this subject matter (and I understand it will be a
> world summit, so not in anyone's ownership, really.) For now we
> should mainly ask questions to understand where ICANN is coming down
> on the issues of the day as well as where the idea/rule of national
> delegations to be 3-person strong each comes from in order to decide
> how we can get it changed.
>
> It's important to watch closely the Brazil side of the game, keeping
> in mind the political dance that might be happening between the
> Presidency and the Ministry.
>
> mawaki
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Andrew Puddephatt
> <Andrew at gp-digital.org <mailto:Andrew at gp-digital.org>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the very clear notes Jochai
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 21 Oct 2013, at 00:39, "Jochai Ben-Avie" <jochai at accessnow.org
> <mailto:jochai at accessnow.org>> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> On 10/20/13 members of Best Bits were invited to meet with
>> several members of the technical community. There were about 25
>> people in attendance, including the CEO of every I* organization
>> except for IETF and the IAB. The first part of the meeting was a
>> discussion of what the technical community is thinking after the
>> Montevideo meeting (as well as some of the motivations that lead to
>> that statement). The end of the meeting was a download from Fadi
>> Chehade (the CEO of ICANN) on his meetings with Dilma and other
>> Brazilian government officials. The meeting took place under
>> Chatham House rules, so statements and information in the notes
>> below are not attributed to any individual with the exception of
>> Fadi’s comments, which are public.
>>
>> Civil society members in attendance were Valeria Betancourt
>> (APC), Carlos Afonso (Instituto NUPEF), Emma Llanso (CDT), and Jochai
>> Ben-Avie (Access).
>>
>> What follows are the collected notes from Valeria, Emma, and
>> myself which are intended to serve as a readout of what was
>> discussed with minimal commentary. Please note the immediate next
>> steps at the bottom of this email.
>>
>> *1. Background and motivations behind the Montevideo Meeting and
>> Statement*
>> -Keep the internet open and seamless
>> -Build and regain trust and confidence in internet governance and
>> management
>> -Strengthen the multistakeholder approach
>> -Globalize the IANA function and ICANN
>> -Identify gaps on what they are doing and build common
>> understanding of issues and problems
>> -Share perspectives on the situation and the future
>>
>> Overall, the statement is a reaction or response to the “tectonic
>> shift in the internet governance landscape” after the revelations
>> of systematic mass surveillance.
>>
>> *2. Possible paths forward from Montevideo *
>> -Build, expand, and enhance the loose coalition pushing for open,
>> decentralized, participatory governance processes
>> -Engage in a grassroots campaign
>> -Leverage upcoming events within the I* organizations, but
>> particularly the Brazil Summit
>> -Build on thought leadership
>> -Establish taskforces (e.g., within the IGF, IETF, ICANN, RIRs,
>> and CSTD)
>>
>> *3. Major points in the discussion*
>> - How has the goal of an open, interoperable, reliable internet
>> changed in the last 10 years? What needs to be changed at this
>> point? What should be the focus of the international debate? Need
>> to be more nuanced when framing the change we/they want to
>> produce
>> - What is the next step for IANA? (No one really seemed to know
>> how they can/should actually change the IANA contract)
>> - Identify gaps and holes and to develop mechanisms to
>> address/fill them in a decentralized multistakeholder way (while
>> ICANN is probably not the place for a number of “orphan issues”
>> they are getting a lot of pressure to take these issues on and
>> believe that they could be useful in identifying (in a
>> multistakeholder fashion) processes for working on these issues
>> -There was a sense that if multistakeholder institutions don’t
>> develop to take on the “orphan issues” governments will step in
>> to take control. As such, there is a real need to take control of the
>> narrative, which is slipping out of their control. To this end,
>> there is a need to disaggregate discussions and identify a
>> taxonomy of areas/problems/issues and agree on ways to address
>> them collectively. Moreover, shying away from issues is not
>> helping the technical community. It should be leading in putting
>> the multistakeholder approach in practice and contributing to
>> building confidence and trust.
>> -There was a suggestion that new institutions in the model of
>> ICANN could be created to deal with issues that are outside of
>> ICANN’s mandate
>> - How do we evolve the visibility of the MS approach?
>> -I* orgs have a big local footprint but need to do better to
>> leverage that globally
>> - There was a sense that the label “technical community” does a
>> disservice to these organizations as they inform and do a lot of
>> policy work too.
>>
>> *4. Brazil summit*
>> According to Fadi, after Dilma’s speech, many middle governments
>> saw themselves represented in her speech and expressed an
>> interest in a new approach that isn’t defined by Western governments
>> or the Russias and Chinas of the world. After Montevideo, Fadi
>> decided to fly to Brasilia to talk to her about it. It took him 4
>> days to get a meeting with Dilma as he was being blocked by Paulo
>> Bernardo (the Brazilian Minister of Communications); he is also the
>> one who has been pushing for a multilateral approach. With the help
>> of the CGI.br <http://CGI.br>, Fadi got a meeting with Bernardo who
>> eventually agreed to give him a meeting with Dilma. At that
>> meeting Bernardo tried to block CGI.br <http://CGI.br> from
>> attending, but Fadi convinced Dilma to let Harmut Glaser into the
>> meeting.
>>
>> In the course of the meeting Dilma asked what she could do and
>> Fadi proposed an idea of a summit. He repeatedly got her to
>> commit to making this a multistakeholder (not muitilateral) event,
>> specifically including civil society. There is a desire for this
>> to be not a Brazil summit or an ICANN summit but a global summit.
>> A multistakeholder steering committee is being put together to
>> help facilitate. The desire of the Brazilian government to also
>> host the IGF in 2015 was also discussed.
>>
>> The goals of the summit will be to produce blueprints for:
>> -Principles for how the digital community should run
>> -Institutional framework for internet governance issues and
>> mechanisms to deal with them
>> -Decision making processes
>>
>> Fadi said that at this summit “we are not going to expand what
>> ICANN does, if anything we need to make it smaller” but there’s a
>> need to find a home for these issues. It’s clear that this summit
>> is intended to go way beyond naming and numbering and the IANA
>> function.
>>
>> The meeting will take place in Late April or Early May. Inputs
>> are tentatively scheduled to be due by March 1, 2014. Bernardo wants
>> the summit to take place in Brasilia, but Fadi is pushing Dilma
>> to have it in Rio, to avoid too close an association with the
>> capital/government.
>>
>> To ensure multistakeholder and global participation, there is a
>> proposal that each country will have three representatives to the
>> conference (one each from government, business, and civil
>> society) -- to “create a mini CGI in each country.” It was not
>> discussed how these people will be selected. Additionally, the heads
>> of all the I* organizations and international government
>> organizations will be invited. A question was raised about how the
>> technical community would be represented, and the response was not
>> clear whether technical community reps would be considered for some
>> of the national civil society spots, or whether they would be
>> represented by the heads-of-organizations representatives. The
>> plan is to have 800-900 people present in total, but there will
>> be large screens set up to facilitate remote participation from
>> stakeholders and users from around the world. These details will
>> be announced in 2-3 weeks in Brasilia, but Paulo Bernardo will
>> also make some comments on Tuesday morning at the IGF.
>>
>> There is a need to flesh out the dynamics of the organization of
>> the summit and that certainly seems to be fluid at this point.
>> The steering committee will have 4-5 governments on it (Dilma is
>> interested in having Germany and India involved in particular),
>> members of the I* orgs, civil society reps, and others. Dilma
>> also personally called Bernardo, Anatel, and CGI.br <http://CGI.br>
>> and told them to go to IGF to gather inputs/thinking on the Brazil
>> summit.
>>
>> There are several strategy panels within ICANN. 4 have already
>> been announced, and the fifth one is planned on global internet
>> collaboration and governance. Eventual/planned members include:
>> Vint Cerf, Ida Holz, Toomas Ilves (President of Estonia), Nitin
>> Desain, among others. Fadi is willing to “release” this panel
>> from ICANN if it will help the summit process.
>>
>> *5. Immediate next steps*
>> 1) There will be a meeting on Wednesday (time TBA) of the I*
>> orgs, members of civil society, the Brazilian delegation (Fadi to
>> invite, not yet confirmed), and others. Theresa Swinehart is
>> coordinating the meeting and we should let her know who we want
>> to have involved.
>> 2) Brazilian civil society will be meeting with the Brazilian
>> delegation to get more information (not filtered through Fadi)
>> 3) We need to arrange a time for Fadi to meet with Best Bits
>> representatives and determine who should be at that meeting.
>> 4) Determine the civil society strategy for the summit. This
>> should be expressed in some talking points for those who are
>> going to the meeting on Wednesday and in a letter from civil society
>> to Dilma. There is a meeting tentatively scheduled for 4PM tomorrow
>> to continue this conversation. Time and location to be confirmed.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jochai Ben-Avie
>> Policy Director
>> Access | accessnow.org <http://accessnow.org>
>>
>> tel: +1-347-806-9531 <tel:%2B1-347-806-9531>
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