[governance] CONSENSUS CALL Re: Draft letter text

[Norbert Bollow]

McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote Sat, 12 Oct 2013 21:19:30 -0400:

> I still haven't heard anything reality based to indicate why Brasil
> should be mentioned first in the first para.

I have discussed this at length in my posting of Sat, 12 Oct 2013
08:27:39 +0200, which I'm copying below.

If you wish to dismiss that entire posting as not “reality based”,
please point out for each of the three points on what basis you claim
that they are not “reality based”.

In my view, what I have written is very much reality-based, and not at
all ideological.

Greetings,
Norbert

:: From: Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch>
:: To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
:: Cc: JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com>, Anriette Esterhuysen
::   <anriette at apc.org>, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
:: Subject: Re: [governance] DMP} Draft letter text - IGC consensus
::   process Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2013 08:27:39 +0200
::
:: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
:: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:20 PM, JFC Morfin <jefsey at jefsey.com>
:: > wrote:  
:: [..]
:: > What I want is to speak the truth.
:: > 
:: > As you yourself said above:
:: >   
:: > > "It is exact that the summit was said to have been proposed by
:: > > Fadi and accepted by Dilma."  
::
:: Let's use language that credits both ICANN and Brazil for the
:: initiative, and which mentions the government of Brazil in the more
:: prominent first spot. 
::
:: Logically, saying “initiative of the government of Brazil and the
:: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)” is
:: exactly as accurate as it is to put ICANN first, regardless of whose
:: idea is was initially.
:: 
:: I think that there are several good reasons for mentioning the
:: government of Brazil first:
::
:: * While the specific proposal of going forward by means of such an
::   event has come from ICANN, overall what has set this whole thing
::   in motion was the Brazilian president's speech at the UN GA.
::
:: * We're writing to the Brazilian government, which is the party that
::   we as civil society need to communicate to in order to get
::   included. There is no risk of anyone from the ICANN side doing
::   anything to lock anyone out from this process. If civil society
::   gets locked out, that will be an action of government bureaucrats
::   who either have unhealthy connections to telecom business people
::   with a pre-Internet mindset, or who have a pre-Internet telecom
::   mindset themselves. We're seeking to prevent this by writing to
::   someone with the power to prevent this from happening. It is IMO
::   only polite to mention the addressee's role in the initiative
::   first. If the letter is perceived as impolite or even offensive,
::   which could easily happen if a non-government entity is mentioned
::   more prominently or more respectfully than the governmental
::   addressee of the letter, that's certainly make it less likely to
::   achieve our goal.
::
:: * Ultimately what counts in moving this plan forward is the power
::   to attract state actors to a high-level event. This power is in the
::   hands of the Brazilian government. From this perspective, I think
::   that the media reports are 100% accurate who put it as an
::   initiative of the Brazilian president that she has decided to
::   undertake on the basis of having informed herself well (which she
::   did by means of talking with someone of great and widely recognized
::   specific expertise in Internet governance).
::
:: Greetings,
:: Norbert

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