[governance] Choice of addressee(s) (was Re: CONSENSUS CALL Re: Draft letter text)

[michael gurstein]

I have no objection to doing a cc: to Fadi (not exactly sure how to do it in
this type of more formal letter but someone probably does...

And of course, Its normal practice in any case to cc: someone who is
specifically mentioned in a public communication

Tks,

M

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Subject: Re: [governance] Choice of addressee(s) (was Re: CONSENSUS CALL Re:
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FWIW: I would CC Fadi. It cannot hurt, and might help.

On 12 Oct 2013, at 19:40, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:

> Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
> 
>> If something is sent, shouldn't it be address to both of the leaders 
>> who came out together for this. Don't we lessen the multi stakeholder 
>> push while petitioning for CS to be included?  Shouldn't we be 
>> addressing our thoughts to both of them.
>> 
>> On sending something at all: while I believe it would be better to 
>> wait until we have something contentful to write, I am not so against 
>> sending boilerplate that I would object to IGC adding its signature 
>> to an appropriately addressed note.
> 
> I don't see anything inappropriate about addressing this note to the 
> Brazilian government.
> 
> If CS doesn't get included, it wouldn't be the fault of Fadi or of 
> anyone else at ICANN. ICANN is not in the habit of excluding 
> stakeholders, but governments have that habit. It would be the fault 
> of some government bureaucrat(s) either acting on (bad) habit, or 
> acting out of an unhealthy relationship with telecom companies that 
> still have a pre-Internet mindset, or acting of of such a pre-Internet 
> telecom mindset they may have themselves.
> 
> So it is in my view quite appropriate to communicate to the person who 
> is able to solve this problem by simply telling her bureaucrats to 
> work with civil society.
> 
> I don't like the idea of adding Fadi to the list of addressees for 
> this particular letter, because doing so would reduce the clarity 
> about who needs to take the necessary action to ensure the inclusion 
> of civil society.
> 
> I do however agree on the point that there is an imbalance if we 
> express appreciation only for the Brazilian president and government 
> but not for the (at least in my view) at least equally significant 
> contribution of Fadi.
> 
> How about addressing a separate note to Fadi which simply expresses 
> appreciation?
> 
> If we want to take that route, it might be best to combine the 
> endorsements / sign-on process for both letters, making it a package 
> deal, i.e. each person or organization would either endorse both or 
> none of the two letters.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Greetings,
> Norbert
> 
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