[governance] Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host world event on Internet governance in 2014

Carlos A. Afonso ca at cafonso.ca
Thu Oct 10 13:13:19 EDT 2013


It takes a lot more to get me excited, Rafik! A lot more... :)

frt rgds

--c.a.

On 10/10/2013 11:39 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> I understand your excitement  and pride as Brazilian but as Tunisian I
> am more cautious with what my gov can claim :) (I would instead wait
> till marco civil to be voted to celebrate for example but yes I am not
> familiar with Brazilian internal politics) 
> not sure what is your take regarding IGF, ywa you are talking about
> interesting process , but we dont have such process now and it looks
> more as an interpretation  and wish than something concrete. are you
> looking to replace IGF by a summit yet to be defined?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik 
> 
> 
> 2013/10/10 Carlos A. Afonso <ca at cafonso.ca <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>>
> 
>     I personally do hope it will *not* look like *nor* do like the IGF. We
>     need a pluriparticipative decision-making process on international IG,
>     and maybe this is the way to start it. Instead of just becoming
>     suspicious, let us work proactively together to make sure we have strong
>     representation in this process.
> 
>     fraternal regards
> 
>     --c.a.
> 
>     On 10/09/2013 10:33 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>     > Hello,
>     >
>     > maybe I will looks quite cautious against the enthusiasm and
>     excitement
>     > emerging here, but listening to Fadi short message, I am wondering
>     about
>     > the meaning of openness  since he is talking about "leaders" of
>     > governments, civil society etc (I think that is alarm bell for those
>     > familiar to his speeches). it may look like the WEF of IG more
>     than IGF
>     > alike.
>     > while we are still having heated discussion about the "inflation" of
>     > conference and venues like Cyber Conf in seoul , how can we
>     welcome such
>     > summit?
>     >
>     > Best,
>     >
>     > Rafik
>     >
>     >
>     > 2013/10/10 Joana Varon <joana at varonferraz.com
>     <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com>
>     > <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com>>>
>     >
>     >     Very interesting and very crazy (in a good way, I guess).
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Lee W McKnight
>     <lmcknigh at syr.edu <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>
>     >     <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >         Waiting for any UN process is not the way things like this
>     happen.
>     >
>     >         Brazil + ICANN = critical mass for a next phase process.
>     >         Agenda-setting moment was President Rousseff at UNGA, for
>     a new
>     >         game which will reference those already played but need not be
>     >         limited to process, schedule, or terms of prior phases.
>     >
>     >         UN orgs will of course be invited and can participate, and the
>     >         President will work around existing UN schedules to extent
>     >         feasible, but boxing the new thing into the old schedule is
>     >         probably not what was just agreed.
>     >
>     >         My 2 cents of veteran but perhaps off-base global policy
>     process
>     >         assessment.
>     >
>     >         Lee
>     >
>     >
>     >        
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>     >         *Subject:* Re: [bestbits] Rousseff & Chehade: Brazil will host
>     >         world event on Internet governance in 2014
>     >
>     >         I was a bit puzzled in terms of UN processes. Could it be the
>     >         red interrogation mark on our visualization map?
>     >
>     >         http://bestbits.net/wp-uploads/diagram.html
>     >
>     >         I mean, does she has to wait for Sharm el Sheik meeting on the
>     >         WSIS+10 process? Or we can have a summit completely
>     independent?
>     >         During MPP phase 2 meeting this week it was evident that
>     Brazil
>     >         wanted a high level event after sharm el sheik, but I didnt
>     >         envision a Summit coming and I wonder if both processes
>     will be
>     >         connected.
>     >
>     >         On Oct 9, 2013 6:46 PM, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca
>     <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>
>     >         <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca <mailto:ca at cafonso.ca>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >             [sorry for possible duplicate posts]
>     >
>     >             Dear people
>     >
>     >             Here is the Google Translate English version (I did some
>     >             editing) of the
>     >             official report on the meeting between President Rousseff
>     >             and ICANN's
>     >             President and CEO Fadi Chehadé, which just happened.
>     >
>     >             The original version in Brazilian Portuguese is at the
>     end.
>     >
>     >             fraternal regards
>     >
>     >             --c.a.
>     >
>     >            
>     http://convergenciadigital.uol.com.br/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=35107&sid=4&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#.UlXEbbOm1q8
>     >
>     >             Brazil will host world event on Internet governance
>     >
>     >             >From the editor :: Convergência Digital :: 09/10/2013
>     >
>     >             Brazil will host the meeting in 2014 to discuss the
>     >             necessary changes to
>     >             Internet governance. After meeting with the president
>     of the
>     >             Internet
>     >             Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (Icann, its
>     >             acronym in
>     >             English), Fadi Chehadé, President Dilma Rousseff agreed to
>     >             meet global
>     >             leaders from different sectors interested in the topic.
>     >
>     >             According to Chehadé, the world counts on Brazil's
>     >             leadership on this
>     >             issue, after President Dilma Rousseff spoke at the opening
>     >             of the 68th
>     >             UN General Assembly, held in September in the United
>     States.
>     >             "The world
>     >             heard the Brazilian president, who spoke with deep
>     >             conviction, with
>     >             great courage, and expressed the frustration that many
>     >             people around the
>     >             world feel about the fact that the trust relationship we
>     >             have with the
>     >             Internet had been broken,"said, revealing that the
>     speech by
>     >             Dilma was
>     >             the motivation of his proposal for their meeting.
>     >
>     >             Chehadé cited allegations of espionage involving the
>     >             communication of
>     >             Brazilian authorities and citizens, among them the very
>     >             president,
>     >             Petrobras and the Ministry of Mines and Energy. "I came to
>     >             ask the
>     >             president to elevate her leadership to a new level, to
>     >             ensure that we
>     >             can all get together around a new model of governance in
>     >             which all are
>     >             equal," he said. The president of Icann said that future
>     >             decisions on
>     >             how leaders can manage the internet should be based on the
>     >             principles of
>     >             the Civil Rights Framework for the Internet in Brazil
>     which
>     >             is going
>     >             through the National Congress.
>     >
>     >             Fadi Chehadé was yesterday (Oct.7th) with Communications
>     >             Minister Paulo
>     >             Bernardo, to ask for help from Brazil to start discussions
>     >             about changes
>     >             in the governance of the Internet, and said that the
>     >             arrangements should
>     >             begin this year. According to him, the need for a new
>     >             governing body of
>     >             the Internet requires the involvement of multiple actors,
>     >             not just the
>     >             government.
>     >
>     >             "I understand that the internet has a new feature that
>     >             requires active
>     >             participation by governments, their respective agencies
>     >             within the
>     >             United Nations, but also in the context of users, civil
>     >             society, the
>     >             technicians, who after all make the Internet work,"
>     Chehadé
>     >             defended.
>     >             For the president of the corporation, academics and
>     >             industrialists need
>     >             to participate in the debate, as they reflect on
>     rights and
>     >             carry out
>     >             the management of the Internet infrastructure.
>     >
>     >             The president of Icann said telecommunications companies
>     >             must also
>     >             attend the conference."They are integral part of the
>     family
>     >             with which
>     >             we must work," he said. According to Paulo Bernardo,
>     >             President Dilma
>     >             agreed that changes in network governance must occur
>     >             multilaterally and
>     >             with the participation of all actors who engage the
>     >             internet, and said
>     >             that "we must not allow economic, political and religious
>     >             interests to
>     >             interfere in the free circulation of ideas." The minister
>     >             said that the
>     >             suggestion of the president is that the event be held in
>     >             April 2014 in
>     >             Rio de Janeiro.
>     >
>     >             Source : Agência Brazil
>     >
>     >             -------- original in pt-br -------------
>     >
>     >             O Brasil vai sediar em 2014 o encontro para discutir
>     as mudanças
>     >             necessárias para a governança da internet. Após se
>     encontrar
>     >             com o
>     >             presidente da Corporação da Internet para Atribuição de
>     >             Nomes e Números
>     >             (Icann, na sigla em inglês), Fadi Chehadé, a presidenta
>     >             Dilma Rousseff
>     >             concordou em reunir líderes globais de diferentes setores
>     >             interessados
>     >             no tema.
>     >
>     >             De acordo com Chehadé, o mundo conta com a liderança
>     >             brasileira nesta
>     >             questão, depois que a Presidenta Dilma Rousseff
>     discursou na
>     >             abertura da
>     >             68ª Assembleia Geral da ONU, ocorrida em setembro nos
>     >             Estados Unidos. “O
>     >             mundo ouviu a Presidenta brasileira, que falou com
>     profunda
>     >             convicção,
>     >             com muita coragem, e externou a frustração que muitas
>     >             pessoas, em todo
>     >             mundo, sentiam com o fato de que a confiança havia sido
>     >             quebrada que
>     >             temos com relação à internet”, disse, revelando que o
>     >             discurso de Dilma
>     >             foi a motivação da sua proposta para o encontro.
>     >
>     >             Chehadé citou as denúncias de espionagem envolvendo a
>     >             comunicação de
>     >             autoridades e cidadãos brasileiros, dentre eles a própria
>     >             presidenta, a
>     >             Petrobras e o Ministério de Minas e Energia. “Vim
>     solicitar
>     >             à presidenta
>     >             que elevasse sua liderança a um novo nível, de modo a
>     >             assegurar que
>     >             todos possamos nos reunir em torno de um novo modelo de
>     >             governança, em
>     >             que todos sejamos iguais”, afirmou. O presidente da Icann
>     >             disse que as
>     >             futuras decisões sobre como os líderes poderão gerir a
>     >             internet devem
>     >             ter como base os princípios do marco civil brasileiro, que
>     >             tramita no
>     >             Congresso Nacional.
>     >
>     >             Fadi Chehadé esteve anteontem (7) com o ministro das
>     >             Comunicações, Paulo
>     >             Bernardo, a fim de pedir ajuda do Brasil para iniciar os
>     >             debates sobre
>     >             mudanças na governança da internet, e disse que as
>     >             articulações devem
>     >             começar este ano. Segundo ele, a necessidade de um novo
>     >             órgão gestor da
>     >             internet passa pela participação de múltiplos atores,
>     não só
>     >             do governo.
>     >
>     >             “Entendo que a internet tem um novo recurso, que exige
>     >             participação
>     >             ativa por parte dos governos, dos seus respectivos
>     órgãos no
>     >             âmbito das
>     >             Nações Unidas, mas também no âmbito dos usuários, da
>     >             sociedade civil,
>     >             dos técnicos, que afinal de contas fazem a internet
>     >             funcionar”, defendeu
>     >             Chehadé. Para o presidente da corporação, os acadêmicos e
>     >             industriais
>     >             precisam participar do debate, pois refletem sobre o
>     direito
>     >             e fazem a
>     >             gestão da infraestrutura da internet.
>     >
>     >             O presidente da Icann disse que as empresas de
>     >             telecomunicações devem
>     >             também participar da conferência. “Elas são parte
>     integrante
>     >             da família
>     >             com a qual precisamos trabalhar”, afirmou. Segundo Paulo
>     >             Bernardo, a
>     >             presidenta Dilma concordou que as mudanças na
>     governança da
>     >             rede devem
>     >             ocorrer de forma multilateral e com a participação de
>     todos
>     >             os atores
>     >             que se envolvem a internet, e disse que não se pode
>     >             “permitir que
>     >             interesses econômicos, políticos e religiosos
>     interfiram na
>     >             livre
>     >             circulação das ideias”. O ministro informou que a sugestão
>     >             da presidenta
>     >             é que o evento ocorra em abril de 2014 no Rio de Janeiro.
>     >
>     >             fonte: Agência Brasil
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     --
>     >     --
>     >
>     >     Joana Varon Ferraz
>     >     @joana_varon
>     >     PGP 0x016B8E73
>     >
>     >
>     >
> 
> 

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