[governance] Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation

Fouad Bajwa fouadbajwa at gmail.com
Tue Oct 8 17:37:18 EDT 2013


Data Sovereignty is only for a club of powerful developed nations.....if the leaks are from developing countries it's neither a scandal, whistle blowing or something really important as its just a leaked intel that is no use in any way....a story or two in the New York Times, in the Guardian or on the cable news just fill in the available news space...impact, criminal charges on the leaker and asylum politics....

Best Regards
Fouad Bajwa

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On Oct 8, 2013, at 2:48 PM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:

> Any kind of over-reliance on the idea of 'data sovereignty' is a real problem for the future of the Internet. But the only way it can be avoided is through a better, democratic governance of the Internet. The only option to save a global Internet is to have democratically arrived at global norms, principles, policy frameworks, policies and laws for the global Internet.  One cant have it both ways - deny full and equal role to developing countries in global governance of the Internet, and also tell them that they should not, in default, take the required measures to defend themselves and their citizens.
> 
> parminder
> 
> On Tuesday 08 October 2013 02:52 PM, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
>> Hi Adam,
>> 
>> I do not think the Montevideo declaration addresses the issue of new cables.
>> 
>> One of the direct consequences of the NSA revelations is the growing call for "data sovereignty", ie the required in-country location of data about citizens of that country. While it seems to make sense at first glance, the cumulative result of every country adopting such a position will be the proliferation of mirror databases, national clouds and most likely incompatible national legislations. This is a potential death spell for global cross-border clouds, which is actually bad for developing countries as well. 
>> 
>> In that regard, the actions by the NSA are not only outrageous but potentially triggering unintended consequences that will be detrimental to the very development of the network as a global, trusted infrastructure. Hence the connection to fragmentation, I suppose. 
>> 
>> By contrast, the proliferation of additional submarine cables and Internet exchange points is actually a potential positive outcome of these revelations. 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> B.
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I would like to understand the part "Internet fragmentation" when it's included in the same paragraph as the sentence about "monitoring and surveillance".
>> 
>> Internet fragmentation is bad.  Monitoring and surveillance is bad.  Think that's clear.
>> 
>> But, by including the two statements in the same paragraph, rather than as separate, are the organizations suggesting that recent proposals to build new infrastructure that avoids sending traffic via the U.S. and avoids U.S. monitoring and surveillance risks Internet fragmentation?
>> 
>> Asking because that was the U.S. spin in response to proposals for such new infrastructure; FUD that new submarine cables would cause balkanization (which they would not of course).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> (FUD: fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:15 AM, John Curran wrote:
>> 
>> > <http://www.internetsociety.org/news/montevideo-statement-future-internet-cooperation>
>> >
>> > FYI,
>> > /John
>> >
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