[governance] Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation

[Adam Peake]

Hi Bertrand,

Thanks.  


On Oct 8, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:

> Hi Adam,
> 
> I do not think the Montevideo declaration addresses the issue of new cables.
> 
> One of the direct consequences of the NSA revelations is the growing call for "data sovereignty", ie the required in-country location of data about citizens of that country.


I'd wondered about that: I don't know if you saw the email I sent to the list a few days ago referring to Caspar Bowden's work on FISA/PRISM, protecting privacy in the cloud, mainly for the European Parliament?)  I was asking, mainly because I am actually hoping the statement was not referring to the new cables and balkanization :-)

Best,

Adam



> While it seems to make sense at first glance, the cumulative result of every country adopting such a position will be the proliferation of mirror databases, national clouds and most likely incompatible national legislations. This is a potential death spell for global cross-border clouds, which is actually bad for developing countries as well. 
> 
> In that regard, the actions by the NSA are not only outrageous but potentially triggering unintended consequences that will be detrimental to the very development of the network as a global, trusted infrastructure. Hence the connection to fragmentation, I suppose. 
> 
> By contrast, the proliferation of additional submarine cables and Internet exchange points is actually a potential positive outcome of these revelations. 
> 
> Best
> 
> B.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> I would like to understand the part "Internet fragmentation" when it's included in the same paragraph as the sentence about "monitoring and surveillance".
> 
> Internet fragmentation is bad.  Monitoring and surveillance is bad.  Think that's clear.
> 
> But, by including the two statements in the same paragraph, rather than as separate, are the organizations suggesting that recent proposals to build new infrastructure that avoids sending traffic via the U.S. and avoids U.S. monitoring and surveillance risks Internet fragmentation?
> 
> Asking because that was the U.S. spin in response to proposals for such new infrastructure; FUD that new submarine cables would cause balkanization (which they would not of course).
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Adam
> 
> (FUD: fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order to put a competitor at a disadvantage.)
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:15 AM, John Curran wrote:
> 
> > <http://www.internetsociety.org/news/montevideo-statement-future-internet-cooperation>
> >
> > FYI,
> > /John
> >
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