[governance] Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation

Tue Oct 8 17:25:30 EDT 2013

Facing the risk of surprising people - and Parminder in the first place :-)
I actually agree with his comments below. We may discuss the exact
modalities of implementation of "democratic governance" but, as such, the
challenge is rather accurately described.

Best

Bertrand

On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net>wrote:

>  Any kind of over-reliance on the idea of 'data sovereignty' is a real
> problem for the future of the Internet. But the only way it can be avoided
> is through a better, democratic governance of the Internet. The only option
> to save a global Internet is to have democratically arrived at global
> norms, principles, policy frameworks, policies and laws for the global
> Internet.  One cant have it both ways - deny full and equal role to
> developing countries in global governance of the Internet, and also tell
> them that they should not, in default, take the required measures to defend
> themselves and their citizens.
>
> parminder
>
>
> On Tuesday 08 October 2013 02:52 PM, Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
>  I do not think the Montevideo declaration addresses the issue of new
> cables.
>
>  One of the direct consequences of the NSA revelations is the growing
> call for "data sovereignty", ie the required in-country location of data
> about citizens of that country. While it seems to make sense at first
> glance, the cumulative result of every country adopting such a position
> will be the proliferation of mirror databases, national clouds and most
> likely incompatible national legislations. This is a potential death spell
> for global cross-border clouds, which is actually bad for developing
> countries as well.
>
>  In that regard, the actions by the NSA are not only outrageous but
> potentially triggering unintended consequences that will be detrimental to
> the very development of the network as a global, trusted infrastructure.
> Hence the connection to fragmentation, I suppose.
>
>  By contrast, the proliferation of additional submarine cables and
> Internet exchange points is actually a potential positive outcome of these
> revelations.
>
>  Best
>
>  B.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I would like to understand the part "Internet fragmentation" when it's
>> included in the same paragraph as the sentence about "monitoring and
>> surveillance".
>>
>> Internet fragmentation is bad.  Monitoring and surveillance is bad.
>>  Think that's clear.
>>
>> But, by including the two statements in the same paragraph, rather than
>> as separate, are the organizations suggesting that recent proposals to
>> build new infrastructure that avoids sending traffic via the U.S. and
>> avoids U.S. monitoring and surveillance risks Internet fragmentation?
>>
>> Asking because that was the U.S. spin in response to proposals for such
>> new infrastructure; FUD that new submarine cables would cause balkanization
>> (which they would not of course).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> (FUD: fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked intentionally in order
>> to put a competitor at a disadvantage.)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:15 AM, John Curran wrote:
>>
>> > <
>> http://www.internetsociety.org/news/montevideo-statement-future-internet-cooperation
>> >
>> >
>> > FYI,
>> > /John
>> >
>> >
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