<div dir="ltr">Facing the risk of surprising people - and Parminder in the first place :-) I actually agree with his comments below. We may discuss the exact modalities of implementation of "democratic governance" but, as such, the challenge is rather accurately described.<div>
<br></div><div>Best</div><div><br></div><div>Bertrand</div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 11:48 AM, parminder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom:0cm"><font face="Verdana">Any kind of
over-reliance on the idea of 'data sovereignty' is a real
problem for
the future of the Internet. But the only way it can be avoided
is
through a better, democratic governance of the Internet. The
only
option to save a global Internet is to have democratically
arrived at
global norms, principles, policy frameworks, policies and laws
for
the global Internet. One cant have it both ways - deny full
and equal role to developing countries in global governance of
the Internet,
and also tell them that they should not, in default, take the
required measures to defend themselves and their citizens. </font><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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parminder</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On Tuesday 08 October 2013 02:52 PM,
Bertrand de La Chapelle wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Adam,
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<div>I do not think the Montevideo declaration addresses the
issue of new cables.</div>
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<div>One of the direct consequences of the NSA revelations is
the growing call for "data sovereignty", ie the required
in-country location of data about citizens of that country.
While it seems to make sense at first glance, the cumulative
result of every country adopting such a position will be the
proliferation of mirror databases, national clouds and most
likely incompatible national legislations. This is a potential
death spell for global cross-border clouds, which is actually
bad for developing countries as well. </div>
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<div>In that regard, the actions by the NSA are not only
outrageous but potentially triggering unintended consequences
that will be detrimental to the very development of the
network as a global, trusted infrastructure. Hence the
connection to fragmentation, I suppose. </div>
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<div>By contrast, the proliferation of additional submarine
cables and Internet exchange points is actually a potential
positive outcome of these revelations. </div>
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<div>Best</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>B.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Adam
Peake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajp@glocom.ac.jp" target="_blank">ajp@glocom.ac.jp</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi John,<br>
<br>
I would like to understand the part "Internet fragmentation"
when it's included in the same paragraph as the sentence
about "monitoring and surveillance".<br>
<br>
Internet fragmentation is bad. Monitoring and surveillance
is bad. Think that's clear.<br>
<br>
But, by including the two statements in the same paragraph,
rather than as separate, are the organizations suggesting
that recent proposals to build new infrastructure that
avoids sending traffic via the U.S. and avoids U.S.
monitoring and surveillance risks Internet fragmentation?<br>
<br>
Asking because that was the U.S. spin in response to
proposals for such new infrastructure; FUD that new
submarine cables would cause balkanization (which they would
not of course).<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Adam<br>
<br>
(FUD: fear, uncertainty and doubt, usually evoked
intentionally in order to put a competitor at a
disadvantage.)<br>
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On Oct 8, 2013, at 5:15 AM, John Curran wrote:<br>
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> <<a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/news/montevideo-statement-future-internet-cooperation" target="_blank">http://www.internetsociety.org/news/montevideo-statement-future-internet-cooperation</a>><br>
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> FYI,<br>
> /John<br>
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