[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
Norbert Bollow
nb at bollow.ch
Sat Nov 30 08:43:59 EST 2013
Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some concepts are too complex to force them into a single word.
Maybe then we should look for a combination of several words that
expresses what we're looking for.
How about "adapting ICANN's legal and accountability framework to meet
the needs of today's international and global concerns around economic
and social justice and the public interest"?
Greetings,
Norbert
> On 30 November 2013 09:14, Bertrand de La Chapelle
> <bdelachapelle at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > Finding an appropriate term is something that is an ongoing
> > difficulty for the reasons detailed in this thread. And the ICANN
> > community, staff and board are regularly struggling with this. The
> > current consultations for the Strategic Plan illustrate it.
> >
> > In this context, Milton rightly highlights the ambiguity when
> > discussing "ICANN's internationalization". There are different
> > complementary dimensions behind this word, and it is important to
> > distinguish them. I see at least the following three aspects:
> >
> > 1. *The Organization's physical presence and outreach*: this
> > includes the current opening of hubs in Singapore and Istanbul, the
> > creation of additional engagement offices, the role of the
> > "regional" VPs, the development of multilingualism, etc...
> > Generally speaking this is about ICANN moving closer to the people
> > it serves, rather than having one core site of operations and
> > asking people to just come to its meetings. In a nutshell, this is
> > about ICANN thinking internationally. 2. *The incorporation of the
> > organization in one particular country *(US in the State of
> > California) and submission to one national legal regime vs
> > exploring possible alternatives, such as: specific immunities,
> > another country with specific regime for international non-profit
> > organizations (cf. the report mentioned by Nick), or a more
> > international status (INGO as Michael suggested) ... As mentioned
> > by Karl, there are difficult legal and practical questions and this
> > is why this has not necessarily moved much until now. Furthermore,
> > ICANN had many other fish to fry in the last years, including
> > improving its own operational capacity and the management of the
> > new gTLD program. ICANN is performing a global public interest
> > function, is therefore a global organization in that regard, even
> > if the current international system does not easily (if at all)
> > allow to create global structures that are not intergovernmental.
> > 3. Last but not least, the term "ICANN's internationalization"
> > also includes, as Milton noted, the question of *the role of the US
> > administration in the IANA process*. This itself actually covers
> > two dimensions: the fact that the IANA contract giving ICANN the
> > responsibility for the clerical verification of the requests for
> > changes in the root zone file is still issued by the US government
> > AND the specific role of the US NTIA in the final transmission of
> > the change to Verisign. This is now less a taboo for discussion
> > since the Montevideo Declaration, which is good, and I am deeply
> > convinced there are ways to address this issue in a fact-based and
> > constructive manner. That being said, the important part is more
> > about the internationalization of NTIA's role in the IANA workflow
> > than the internationalization of ICANN itself. And the solution for
> > that - even if we use the term "internationalization" - is not a
> > sort of Digital Security Council. Innovation is needed here if we
> > collectively want to move to a system that guarantees for ALL
> > actors the integrity of the root zone file, ensuring that no one,
> > voluntarily or involuntarily, can tamper with the root.
> >
> > Maybe different words could be used for these different dimensions.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Bests
> >
> > Bertrand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 4:37 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I like these distinctions and I think they are valid. However all
> >> three definitions overlook one of the most important aspects of
> >> the globalization or transnationalization of ICANN: the removal of
> >> the source of authority from a single national government and the
> >> linkage of its authority over the DNS root zone file to a global
> >> polity.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --MM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal [mailto:
> >> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net]
> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 3:52 PM
> >> *To:* Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
> >> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> >>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and
> >> Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
> >> of Internet Governance
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual
> >> perspective, and in my humble Global Governance observer
> >> capacity, for the pleasure of the reflection:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Internationalization*: one wants to have a larger international
> >> basis: more offices, more representatives, more of a network of
> >> local branches that, being put together, creates an international
> >> network. Still each element is mostly comparable to the starting
> >> point in terms of culture, thinking... Clones spread around the
> >> world? 'One for all' kind of uniformity. *Meaning many little
> >> ICANNs all around. *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Globalization*: this could happen without a network of offices
> >> around the world. You can observe a very globalized entity
> >> containing so many different elements, co-exisiting, still
> >> assembling one strong outlet with a governance of its own, but
> >> embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one single
> >> corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a
> >> single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the
> >> many in a global manner of thinking.
> >>
> >> *Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind.*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Transnationalization*: this tends to establish a community of
> >> people based in various locations, trying to forget about their
> >> local identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to
> >> address a more common, regional, transnational, trans-sectorial
> >> issue. A way to achieve an understanding of global magnitude.
> >>
> >> *Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds.*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater
> >> control over the network, and at the end of the day, you can
> >> pretend to be a global minded outlet. Good communication value.
> >>
> >> - The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve,
> >> specially if you are not starting from a fully independent
> >> culture. Very challenging when one starts from a private or
> >> national basis.
> >>
> >> - The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts
> >> trust in the other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable
> >> approach, and ultimately, one that could deliver a true global
> >> minded system.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying to
> >> explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG
> >> debate.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate
> >> objective. A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged
> >> from the corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents,
> >> executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for
> >> consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure communication
> >> tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable definition and
> >> understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something that
> >> usually brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> __________________________
> >>
> >> Jean-Christophe Nothias
> >> Editor in Chief
> >> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
> >>
> >> @jc_nothias
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
> >> schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>:
> >>
> >>
> >> Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big
> >> family
> >>
> >> holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word
> >>
> >> "internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we live
> >> in
> >>
> >> a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national" is
> >> not
> >>
> >> an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena
> >>
> >>
> >> That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
> >> governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
> >> certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder,
> >> global phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times)
> >> of decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus
> >> what is happening in inter-national trade and other areas of
> >> inter-national relations.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are
> >> very wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often
> >> increased social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the
> >> kinds of concerns that the further "internationalization" of ICANN
> >> is intended to address.
> >>
> >> Maybe yet another term could be used???
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Norbert
> >>
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> > --
> > ____________________
> > Bertrand de La Chapelle
> > Internet & Jurisdiction Project Director, International Diplomatic
> > Academy (www.internetjurisdiction.net)
> > Former Member, ICANN Board of Directors
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