[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Fri Nov 29 23:56:49 EST 2013


On Saturday 30 November 2013 10:19 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> yes Milton it will make it  the FIFA of IG world
>
> Rafik

Rafik, do you in that case agree that ICANN should remain an US 
organisation, subject solely to US laws... parminder

>
> 2013/11/30 Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
>
>     No, no, no, please. That level of specificity is counterproductive
>     at this stage. Many people who have studied this issue believe
>     that turning ICANN into an INGO is the surest way for it to escape
>     what little accountability it currently has. Those willing to go
>     along with a general call for reform in ICANN’s US-centered
>     oversight need not commit themselves to a particular solution at
>     this point, and the language below does that.
>
>     Please don’t come up with off the cuff quickie solutions for this.
>     It will take more than a scan of Wikipedia to solve.
>
>     *From:*michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 7:49 PM
>     *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>     <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; 'Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google'
>     *Cc:* 'Norbert Bollow'; Milton L Mueller
>     *Subject:* RE: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and
>     Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
>     of Internet Governance
>
>     What about
>
>     1)Transitioning ICANN and IANA to an International
>     Non-Governmental Organization (INGO) status: The Global Meeting
>     should aim at developing a suitable and widely acceptable means to
>     achieve the desired transition of ICANN and IANA away from its
>     links to the USG and
>
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_nongovernmental_organization
>
>     M
>
>     *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
>     <mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>
>     [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of
>     *Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google
>     *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 2:39 PM
>     *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
>     <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
>     *Cc:* Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
>     *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and
>     Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
>     of Internet Governance
>
>     ICANN (and its President/CEO) have been "encouraged" at several
>     opportunities to adjust its "internationalization"
>     rhetoric/terminology and thus its resulting INTERNATIONALIZATION
>     thrust to one which is significantly more embrasive of the
>     objectives of, and indeed, spirit of what GLOBALIZATION in theory,
>     intends to achieve.
>
>     I believe therefore that Milton's recommendation is timely and
>     appropriate ... whether we use the term "Globalization" or a
>     perhaps more compromising and less economics/free-market linked
>     phrase or term such as "Global Integration", or more radically,
>     "Glocalization".
>
>     ------
>     Rgds,
>
>     Tracy
>
>     On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
>     Journal" <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
>     <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,
>
>     If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual
>     perspective, and in my humble Global Governance observer capacity,
>      for the pleasure of the reflection:
>
>     *Internationalization*: one wants to have a larger international
>     basis: more offices, more representatives, more of a network of
>     local branches that, being put together, creates an international
>     network. Still each element is mostly comparable to the starting
>     point in terms of culture, thinking... Clones spread around the
>     world? 'One for all' kind of uniformity. /Meaning many little
>     ICANNs all around. /
>
>     *Globalization*: this could happen without a network of offices
>     around the world. You can observe a very globalized entity
>     containing so many different elements, co-exisiting, still
>     assembling one strong outlet with a governance of its own, but
>     embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one single
>     corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a
>     single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the
>     many in a global manner of thinking.
>
>     /Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind./
>
>     *Transnationalization*: this tends to establish a community of
>     people based in various locations, trying to forget about their
>     local identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to
>     address a more common, regional, transnational, trans-sectorial
>     issue. A way to achieve an understanding of global magnitude.
>
>     /Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds./
>
>     - The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater
>     control over the network, and at the end of the day, you can
>     pretend to be a global minded outlet. Good communication value.
>
>     - The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve,
>     specially if you are not starting from a fully independent
>     culture. Very challenging when one starts from a private or
>     national basis.
>
>     - The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts
>     trust in the other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable
>     approach, and ultimately, one that could deliver a true global
>     minded system.
>
>     Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying
>     to explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG
>     debate.
>
>     Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate
>     objective. A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged
>     from the corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents,
>     executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for
>     consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure communication
>     tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable definition and
>     understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something that
>     usually brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...
>
>     All the best,
>
>     __________________________
>
>     Jean-Christophe Nothias
>     Editor in Chief
>     jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
>     <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
>
>     @jc_nothias
>
>     Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :
>
>     Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
>     schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>:
>
>     Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big family
>
>         holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word
>
>         "internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we
>         live in
>
>         a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national"
>         is not
>
>         an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena
>
>
>     That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
>     governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
>     certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global
>     phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of
>     decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is
>     happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national
>     relations.
>
>     On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very
>     wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased
>     social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns
>     that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to
>     address.
>
>     Maybe yet another term could be used???
>
>     Greetings,
>     Norbert
>
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