[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
parminder
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Fri Nov 29 23:56:49 EST 2013
On Saturday 30 November 2013 10:19 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> yes Milton it will make it the FIFA of IG world
>
> Rafik
Rafik, do you in that case agree that ICANN should remain an US
organisation, subject solely to US laws... parminder
>
> 2013/11/30 Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
>
> No, no, no, please. That level of specificity is counterproductive
> at this stage. Many people who have studied this issue believe
> that turning ICANN into an INGO is the surest way for it to escape
> what little accountability it currently has. Those willing to go
> along with a general call for reform in ICANN’s US-centered
> oversight need not commit themselves to a particular solution at
> this point, and the language below does that.
>
> Please don’t come up with off the cuff quickie solutions for this.
> It will take more than a scan of Wikipedia to solve.
>
> *From:*michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com
> <mailto:gurstein at gmail.com>]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 7:49 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>; 'Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google'
> *Cc:* 'Norbert Bollow'; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and
> Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
> of Internet Governance
>
> What about
>
> 1)Transitioning ICANN and IANA to an International
> Non-Governmental Organization (INGO) status: The Global Meeting
> should aim at developing a suitable and widely acceptable means to
> achieve the desired transition of ICANN and IANA away from its
> links to the USG and
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_nongovernmental_organization
>
> M
>
> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 2:39 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org>
> *Cc:* Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and
> Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future
> of Internet Governance
>
> ICANN (and its President/CEO) have been "encouraged" at several
> opportunities to adjust its "internationalization"
> rhetoric/terminology and thus its resulting INTERNATIONALIZATION
> thrust to one which is significantly more embrasive of the
> objectives of, and indeed, spirit of what GLOBALIZATION in theory,
> intends to achieve.
>
> I believe therefore that Milton's recommendation is timely and
> appropriate ... whether we use the term "Globalization" or a
> perhaps more compromising and less economics/free-market linked
> phrase or term such as "Global Integration", or more radically,
> "Glocalization".
>
> ------
> Rgds,
>
> Tracy
>
> On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global
> Journal" <jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
> <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>> wrote:
>
> Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,
>
> If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual
> perspective, and in my humble Global Governance observer capacity,
> for the pleasure of the reflection:
>
> *Internationalization*: one wants to have a larger international
> basis: more offices, more representatives, more of a network of
> local branches that, being put together, creates an international
> network. Still each element is mostly comparable to the starting
> point in terms of culture, thinking... Clones spread around the
> world? 'One for all' kind of uniformity. /Meaning many little
> ICANNs all around. /
>
> *Globalization*: this could happen without a network of offices
> around the world. You can observe a very globalized entity
> containing so many different elements, co-exisiting, still
> assembling one strong outlet with a governance of its own, but
> embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one single
> corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a
> single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the
> many in a global manner of thinking.
>
> /Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind./
>
> *Transnationalization*: this tends to establish a community of
> people based in various locations, trying to forget about their
> local identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to
> address a more common, regional, transnational, trans-sectorial
> issue. A way to achieve an understanding of global magnitude.
>
> /Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds./
>
> - The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater
> control over the network, and at the end of the day, you can
> pretend to be a global minded outlet. Good communication value.
>
> - The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve,
> specially if you are not starting from a fully independent
> culture. Very challenging when one starts from a private or
> national basis.
>
> - The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts
> trust in the other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable
> approach, and ultimately, one that could deliver a true global
> minded system.
>
> Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying
> to explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG
> debate.
>
> Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate
> objective. A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged
> from the corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents,
> executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for
> consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure communication
> tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable definition and
> understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something that
> usually brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...
>
> All the best,
>
> __________________________
>
> Jean-Christophe Nothias
> Editor in Chief
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
> <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
>
> @jc_nothias
>
> Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :
>
> Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
> schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>:
>
> Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big family
>
> holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word
>
> "internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we
> live in
>
> a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national"
> is not
>
> an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena
>
>
> That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
> governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
> certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global
> phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of
> decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is
> happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national
> relations.
>
> On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very
> wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased
> social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns
> that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to
> address.
>
> Maybe yet another term could be used???
>
> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
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