[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
Rafik Dammak
rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Fri Nov 29 23:49:41 EST 2013
yes Milton it will make it the FIFA of IG world
Rafik
2013/11/30 Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>
> No, no, no, please. That level of specificity is counterproductive at
> this stage. Many people who have studied this issue believe that turning
> ICANN into an INGO is the surest way for it to escape what little
> accountability it currently has. Those willing to go along with a general
> call for reform in ICANN’s US-centered oversight need not commit themselves
> to a particular solution at this point, and the language below does that.
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> Please don’t come up with off the cuff quickie solutions for this. It will
> take more than a scan of Wikipedia to solve.
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> *From:* michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 7:49 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 'Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google'
> *Cc:* 'Norbert Bollow'; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* RE: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for
> the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
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> What about
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> 1) Transitioning ICANN and IANA to an International Non-Governmental
> Organization (INGO) status: The Global Meeting should aim at developing a
> suitable and widely acceptable means to achieve the desired transition of
> ICANN and IANA away from its links to the USG and
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_nongovernmental_organization
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> *From:* governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org [
> mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org<governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 2:39 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Cc:* Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for
> the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance
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> ICANN (and its President/CEO) have been "encouraged" at several
> opportunities to adjust its "internationalization" rhetoric/terminology and
> thus its resulting INTERNATIONALIZATION thrust to one which is
> significantly more embrasive of the objectives of, and indeed, spirit of
> what GLOBALIZATION in theory, intends to achieve.
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> I believe therefore that Milton's recommendation is timely and appropriate
> ... whether we use the term "Globalization" or a perhaps more compromising
> and less economics/free-market linked phrase or term such as "Global
> Integration", or more radically, "Glocalization".
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> Rgds,
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> Tracy
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> On Nov 29, 2013 4:52 PM, "Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal" <
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net> wrote:
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> Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,
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> If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual perspective, and
> in my humble Global Governance observer capacity, for the pleasure of the
> reflection:
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> *Internationalization*: one wants to have a larger international basis:
> more offices, more representatives, more of a network of local branches
> that, being put together, creates an international network. Still each
> element is mostly comparable to the starting point in terms of culture,
> thinking... Clones spread around the world? 'One for all' kind of
> uniformity. *Meaning many little ICANNs all around. *
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> *Globalization*: this could happen without a network of offices around
> the world. You can observe a very globalized entity containing so many
> different elements, co-exisiting, still assembling one strong outlet with a
> governance of its own, but embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than
> one single corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many voices... in a
> single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one point to the many in a
> global manner of thinking.
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> *Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind.*
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> *Transnationalization*: this tends to establish a community of people
> based in various locations, trying to forget about their local identity,
> interest or belonging, with the objective to address a more common,
> regional, transnational, trans-sectorial issue. A way to achieve an
> understanding of global magnitude.
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> *Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds.*
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> - The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater control over
> the network, and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a global
> minded outlet. Good communication value.
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> - The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve, specially
> if you are not starting from a fully independent culture. Very challenging
> when one starts from a private or national basis.
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> - The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts trust in
> the other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable approach, and
> ultimately, one that could deliver a true global minded system.
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> Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying to
> explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG debate.
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> Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate
> objective. A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged from the
> corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents, executives would
> convene 'stakeholders' to the table for consultation (trade union,
> politician...). A pure communication tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable
> definition and understanding, and an even looser legal impact. Something
> that usually brings a lot of misunderstandings, deadlocks...
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> All the best,
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> __________________________
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> Jean-Christophe Nothias
> Editor in Chief
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net
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> @jc_nothias
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> Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :
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> Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
> schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>:
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> Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big family
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> holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word
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> "internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we live in
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> a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national" is not
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> an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena
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> That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
> governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
> certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global
> phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of
> decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is
> happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national
> relations.
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> On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very
> wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased
> social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns
> that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to address.
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> Maybe yet another term could be used???
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> Greetings,
> Norbert
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