[governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Fri Nov 29 23:39:34 EST 2013 

On Saturday 30 November 2013 09:07 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>
> I like these distinctions and I think they are valid. However all 
> three definitions overlook one of the most important aspects of the 
> globalization or transnationalization of ICANN: the removal of the 
> source of authority from a single national government and the linkage 
> of its authority over the DNS root zone file to a global polity.
>

Agree, Milton... That is the primary issue... However, your/ IGP's 
proposal for internationalisation/trans-nationalisation leaves ICANN 
full subject to US laws, laws which are made by the US polity and can 
anyday be changed by it... Then how does it achieve the key objective 
that you state above. What kind of trans-nationalisation is it? I really 
dont understand your definition of 'global polity'.

parminder
>
> --MM
>
> *From:*Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal 
> [mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 29, 2013 3:52 PM
> *To:* Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller
> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on Process and Objectives 
> for the Global Multistakeholder Meeting on the Future of Internet 
> Governance
>
> Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,
>
> If I may contribute, with a somehow different and unusual perspective, 
> and in my humble Global Governance observer capacity,  for the 
> pleasure of the reflection:
>
> *Internationalization*: one wants to have a larger international 
> basis: more offices, more representatives, more of a network of local 
> branches that, being put together, creates an international network. 
> Still each element is mostly comparable to the starting point in terms 
> of culture, thinking... Clones spread around the world? 'One for all' 
> kind of uniformity. /Meaning many little ICANNs all around. /
>
> *Globalization*: this could happen without a network of offices around 
> the world. You can observe a very globalized entity containing so many 
> different elements, co-exisiting, still assembling one strong outlet 
> with a governance of its own, but embracing 'solutions' that could fit 
> more than one single corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many 
> voices... in a single global body. So one ICANN speaking from one 
> point to the many in a global manner of thinking.
>
> /Meaning one ICANN with a big global mind./
>
> *Transnationalization*: this tends to establish a community of people 
> based in various locations, trying to forget about their local 
> identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to address a more 
> common, regional, transnational, trans-sectorial issue. A way to 
> achieve an understanding of global magnitude.
>
> /Meaning one ICANN talking to other minds./
>
> - The first option has a few advantages. You keep a greater control 
> over the network, and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a 
> global minded outlet. Good communication value.
>
> - The second option is probably the most difficult to achieve, 
> specially if you are not starting from a fully independent culture. 
> Very challenging when one starts from a private or national basis.
>
> - The third option might be a good compromise, if each one puts trust 
> in the other minds ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable approach, 
> and ultimately, one that could deliver a true global minded system.
>
> Obviously, very much to be criticized, but at least worth trying to 
> explore. And quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG debate.
>
> Semantic has a lasting effect over the narrative and the ultimate 
> objective. A little bit like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged from 
> the corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents, 
> executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for consultation 
> (trade union, politician...). A pure communication tool. Plus, it has 
> a very poor stable definition and understanding, and an even looser 
> legal impact. Something that usually brings a lot of 
> misunderstandings, deadlocks...
>
> All the best,
>
> __________________________
>
> Jean-Christophe Nothias
> Editor in Chief
> jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net <mailto:jc.nothias at theglobaljournal.net>
>
> @jc_nothias
>
>
>
>
> Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert Bollow a écrit :
>
>
>
>     Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57 +0000
>     schrieb Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu <mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>:
>
>
>         Recognizing that this is a late intervention (Thursday a big
>         family
>
>         holiday in the US), is it possible to replace the word
>
>         "internationalization" with "globalization"? Increasingly we
>         live in
>
>         a world where nations, and by extension the "inter-national"
>         is not
>
>         an adequate term to define transborder, global phenomena
>
>
>     That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation states and their
>     governments of course continue to have a significant role, it has
>     certainly become inadequate to try to understand transborder, global
>     phenomena by the method (that was helpful in earlier times) of
>     decomposing into what is happening at the national level plus what is
>     happening in inter-national trade and other areas of inter-national
>     relations.
>
>     On the other hand, many civil society people including myself are very
>     wary of the term "globalization", as globalization has often increased
>     social injustices while doing nothing to resolve the kinds of concerns
>     that the further "internationalization" of ICANN is intended to
>     address.
>
>     Maybe yet another term could be used???
>
>     Greetings,
>     Norbert
>
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