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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 30 November 2013 09:07 AM,
      Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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            like these distinctions and I think they are valid. However
            all three definitions overlook one of the most important
            aspects of the globalization or transnationalization of
            ICANN: the removal of the source of authority from a single
            national government and the linkage of its authority over
            the DNS root zone file to a global polity.
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    Agree, Milton... That is the primary issue... However, your/ IGP's
    proposal for internationalisation/trans-nationalisation leaves ICANN
    full subject to US laws, laws which are made by the US polity and
    can anyday be changed by it... Then how does it achieve the key
    objective that you state above. What kind of trans-nationalisation
    is it? I really dont understand your definition of 'global polity'.<br>
    <br>
    parminder <br>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net">mailto:jc.nothias@theglobaljournal.net</a>]
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                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 29, 2013 3:52 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on
                Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder
                Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">If I may contribute, with a somehow
            different and unusual perspective, and in my humble Global
            Governance observer capacity,  for the pleasure of the
            reflection:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Internationalization</b>: one
                wants to have a larger international basis: more
                offices, more representatives, more of a network of
                local branches that, being put together, creates an
                international network. Still each element is mostly
                comparable to the starting point in terms of culture,
                thinking... Clones spread around the world? 'One for
                all' kind of uniformity.
                <i>Meaning many little ICANNs all around. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Globalization</b>: this could
                happen without a network of offices around the world.
                You can observe a very globalized entity containing so
                many different elements, co-exisiting, still assembling
                one strong outlet with a governance of its own, but
                embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one
                single corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many
                voices... in a single global body. So one ICANN speaking
                from one point to the many in a global manner of
                thinking. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>Meaning one ICANN with a big
                  global mind.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Transnationalization</b>: this
                tends to establish a community of people based in
                various locations, trying to forget about their local
                identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to
                address a more common, regional, transnational,
                trans-sectorial issue. A way to achieve an understanding
                of global magnitude. <o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><i>Meaning one ICANN talking to other
                  minds.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">- The first option has a few
                advantages. You keep a greater control over the network,
                and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a
                global minded outlet. Good communication value.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">- The second option is probably the
                most difficult to achieve, specially if you are not
                starting from a fully independent culture. Very
                challenging when one starts from a private or national
                basis.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">- The third option might be a good
                compromise, if each one puts trust in the other minds
                ('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable approach, and
                ultimately, one that could deliver a true global minded
                system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Obviously, very much to be
                criticized, but at least worth trying to explore. And
                quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG
                debate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Semantic has a lasting effect over
                the narrative and the ultimate objective. A little bit
                like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged from the
                corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents,
                executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for
                consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure
                communication tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable
                definition and understanding, and an even looser legal
                impact. Something that usually brings a lot of
                misunderstandings, deadlocks...<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">All the
                best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert
                    Bollow a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57
                      +0000<br>
                      schrieb Milton L Mueller <<a
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                        href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
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                      <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Recognizing that this is a
                        late intervention (Thursday a big family<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">holiday in the US), is it
                        possible to replace the word<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">"internationalization" with
                        "globalization"? Increasingly we live in<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">a world where nations, and by
                        extension the "inter-national" is not<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">an adequate term to define
                        transborder, global phenomena<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation
                      states and their<br>
                      governments of course continue to have a
                      significant role, it has<br>
                      certainly become inadequate to try to understand
                      transborder, global<br>
                      phenomena by the method (that was helpful in
                      earlier times) of<br>
                      decomposing into what is happening at the national
                      level plus what is<br>
                      happening in inter-national trade and other areas
                      of inter-national<br>
                      relations.<br>
                      <br>
                      On the other hand, many civil society people
                      including myself are very<br>
                      wary of the term "globalization", as globalization
                      has often increased<br>
                      social injustices while doing nothing to resolve
                      the kinds of concerns<br>
                      that the further "internationalization" of ICANN
                      is intended to address.<br>
                      <br>
                      Maybe yet another term could be used???<br>
                      <br>
                      Greetings,<br>
                      Norbert<br>
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