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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 30 November 2013 09:07 AM,
Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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like these distinctions and I think they are valid. However
all three definitions overlook one of the most important
aspects of the globalization or transnationalization of
ICANN: the removal of the source of authority from a single
national government and the linkage of its authority over
the DNS root zone file to a global polity.
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Agree, Milton... That is the primary issue... However, your/ IGP's
proposal for internationalisation/trans-nationalisation leaves ICANN
full subject to US laws, laws which are made by the US polity and
can anyday be changed by it... Then how does it achieve the key
objective that you state above. What kind of trans-nationalisation
is it? I really dont understand your definition of 'global polity'.<br>
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parminder <br>
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Jean-Christophe NOTHIAS I The Global Journal
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 29, 2013 3:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Norbert Bollow; Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [governance] DMP} Statement on
Process and Objectives for the Global Multistakeholder
Meeting on the Future of Internet Governance<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Norbert, Dear Milton,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If I may contribute, with a somehow
different and unusual perspective, and in my humble Global
Governance observer capacity, for the pleasure of the
reflection:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Internationalization</b>: one
wants to have a larger international basis: more
offices, more representatives, more of a network of
local branches that, being put together, creates an
international network. Still each element is mostly
comparable to the starting point in terms of culture,
thinking... Clones spread around the world? 'One for
all' kind of uniformity.
<i>Meaning many little ICANNs all around. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Globalization</b>: this could
happen without a network of offices around the world.
You can observe a very globalized entity containing so
many different elements, co-exisiting, still assembling
one strong outlet with a governance of its own, but
embracing 'solutions' that could fit more than one
single corporation, institution, nation. One voice, many
voices... in a single global body. So one ICANN speaking
from one point to the many in a global manner of
thinking. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Meaning one ICANN with a big
global mind.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Transnationalization</b>: this
tends to establish a community of people based in
various locations, trying to forget about their local
identity, interest or belonging, with the objective to
address a more common, regional, transnational,
trans-sectorial issue. A way to achieve an understanding
of global magnitude. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i>Meaning one ICANN talking to other
minds.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The first option has a few
advantages. You keep a greater control over the network,
and at the end of the day, you can pretend to be a
global minded outlet. Good communication value.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The second option is probably the
most difficult to achieve, specially if you are not
starting from a fully independent culture. Very
challenging when one starts from a private or national
basis.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The third option might be a good
compromise, if each one puts trust in the other minds
('nods'?). But maybe a more sustainable approach, and
ultimately, one that could deliver a true global minded
system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Obviously, very much to be
criticized, but at least worth trying to explore. And
quiet appropriate with the current state of the IG
debate.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Semantic has a lasting effect over
the narrative and the ultimate objective. A little bit
like 'multistakeholder' which has emerged from the
corporate jargon (to soften counter forces or opponents,
executives would convene 'stakeholders' to the table for
consultation (trade union, politician...). A pure
communication tool. Plus, it has a very poor stable
definition and understanding, and an even looser legal
impact. Something that usually brings a lot of
misunderstandings, deadlocks...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">All the
best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 29 nov. 2013 à 20:52, Norbert
Bollow a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:28:57
+0000<br>
schrieb Milton L Mueller <<a
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href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Recognizing that this is a
late intervention (Thursday a big family<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">holiday in the US), is it
possible to replace the word<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"internationalization" with
"globalization"? Increasingly we live in<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a world where nations, and by
extension the "inter-national" is not<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">an adequate term to define
transborder, global phenomena<o:p></o:p></p>
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That's IMO a very valid point. Even though nation
states and their<br>
governments of course continue to have a
significant role, it has<br>
certainly become inadequate to try to understand
transborder, global<br>
phenomena by the method (that was helpful in
earlier times) of<br>
decomposing into what is happening at the national
level plus what is<br>
happening in inter-national trade and other areas
of inter-national<br>
relations.<br>
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On the other hand, many civil society people
including myself are very<br>
wary of the term "globalization", as globalization
has often increased<br>
social injustices while doing nothing to resolve
the kinds of concerns<br>
that the further "internationalization" of ICANN
is intended to address.<br>
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Maybe yet another term could be used???<br>
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Greetings,<br>
Norbert<br>
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