[governance] FW: [IP] The Battle for Power on the Internet Bruce Schneier

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

None of this refers to power gangs of the internet though, whatever they 
are supposed to mean.

--srs (htc one x)



On 2 November 2013 4:23:19 PM "Ian Peter" <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> well, we all read things differently and have different opinions.
>
> I thought the description of the evolution of internet usage and related 
> security as a battle between individual elements, including rogue gangs 
> such as Anonymous and cybercriminal groups, and slower moving but 
> eventually more powerful users such as corporations and governments 
> (described as feudal powers), was quite interesting. A couple of my 
> favourite quotes for those who wont bother to read the article:
>
> “Medieval feudalism evolved into a more balanced relationship in which 
> lords had responsibilities as well as rights. Today’s Internet feudalism is 
> both ad-hoc and one-sided. Those in power have a lot of rights, but 
> increasingly few responsibilities or limits. We need to rebalance this 
> relationship.”
>
> “Data is the pollution problem of the information age. All computer 
> processes produce it. It stays around. How we deal with it—how we reuse and 
> recycle it, who has access to it, how we dispose of it, and what laws 
> regulate it—is central to how the information age functions. And I believe 
> that just as we look back at the early decades of the industrial age and 
> wonder how society could ignore pollution in their rush to build an 
> industrial world, our grandchildren will look back at us during these early 
> decades of the information age and judge us on how we dealt with the 
> rebalancing of power resulting from all this new data.”
>
> Ian Peter
>
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 7:08 AM
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Ian Peter Subject: Re: [governance] FW: 
> [IP] The Battle for Power on the Internet Bruce Schneier
>
> I did. I tend to find schneier's commentary more calculated to gain press 
> quotes and retweets rather than make serious points on a nuanced situation.
>
> Security theater is a favorite phrase of his, generally used to deride 
> bogus security, and it is a tactic that he uses more than often possibly on 
> a fight fire with fire basis.
> English isn't my first language either, with all due respect. If M. Pouzin 
> wishes, he might want to express his thoughts again in French, if you feel 
> there's a communication gap here.
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
> On 2 November 2013 3:41:09 PM "Ian Peter" wrote:
>
>   I suggest read the article before commenting and complaining Suresh. You 
>   might find the term gangs more appropriate if you do; and even if you dont 
>   agree with the use of the term after reading the article, you mind make 
>   allowances for the nuances involved in use of words by those for whom 
>   English is a second language.
>
>   Ian Peter
>
>
>
>   From: Suresh Ramasubramanian
>   Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:16 AM
>   To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org ; Louis Pouzin (well)
>   Subject: Re: [governance] FW: [IP] The Battle for Power on the Internet 
>   Bruce Schneier
>
>   I must draw the attention of the co cos to this as I find this 
>   objectionable and insulting
>
>   You are not talking about gangs here
>
>   --srs (htc one x)
>
>
>   On 2 November 2013 2:49:37 PM "Louis Pouzin (well)" wrote:
>
>     Very well thought out. Massive relevance to present internet power gangs.
>
>
>     Louis
>     - - -
>
>
>     On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 5:04 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>       Worth reading the whole article.  Lot's of relevance to IG.
>
>
>
>       M
>
>
>
>       From: David Farber [mailto:farber at gmail.com]
>       Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 3:38 AM
>       To: ip
>       Subject: [IP] The Battle for Power on the Internet Bruce Schneier
>
>
>
>       http://m.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/the-battle-for-power-on-the-internet/280824/
>
>
>
>       The Atlantic
>
>
>
>       The Battle for Power on the Internet
>
>       Bruce Schneier Oct 24 2013, 7:07 AM ET
>
>
>
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