[governance] [chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A call to "nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored and then "liberated" in Free Weibo

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

It would indeed be hard to add substance to what you say, I do admit.

In any case I remain intrigued at the strategic use of quotation marks in 
the subject of this email

Are the portals in question not chinese? Did whichever ideologue (short for 
either an oblique hemi demi semi official pronouncement as like as not) it 
was call for something other than nationalization?

Analysing the complex interplay between chinese internet providers and 
their regulatory authorities is certainly fascinating and that was what I 
was pointing out. And that remains more complex and heavily intertwined 
than anything you see, and often do criticize

--srs (htc one x)



On 24 May 2013 10:33:46 AM "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Suresh,
>
>
>
> Your response to my post of what I think is rather neutral information of 
> general use and value is typical of your behaviour and also a good 
> indication of why I and I would assume anyone with any sense would be 
> reluctant to contribute anything substantive to this list.
>
>
>
> Since you seem not to have anything of any substance to add to the note 
> that I sent, there is IMHO no call or need to respond at all and certainly 
> none to make quite incorrect and personalized comments (I would be 
> interested to see the specific posts where I "rail" against the US or 
> anyone else).
>
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> M
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> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh at hserus.net] Sent: Friday, May 
> 24, 2013 7:36 AM
> To: michael gurstein; governance at lists.igcaucus.org; 
> ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net; 
> brics-internet-research at vancouvercommunity.net
> Subject: Re: [governance] [chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A 
> call to "nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored and then 
> "liberated" in Free Weibo
>
>
>
> Any censorship or liberation takes place under government oversight
> And china is the sort of place where the government and industry, even 
> private industry, are heavily intertwined, with policy decisions and 
> corporate interests linked to an extent that would dwarf what you routinely 
> rail against in the usa
> --srs (htc one x)
>
>
>
> On 24 May 2013 9:56:08 AM "michael gurstein" wrote:
>
> Without having a lot of background I found this rather difficult to follow 
> but interesting as an insight into aspects of Chinese Internet politics, 
> governance and control.
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> Also,
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> http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/22/how-social-commerce-tighens-chinas-grip-on-the-internet/
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> M
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> From: chineseinternetresearch at yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:chineseinternetresearch at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Han-Teng Liao
> Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 6:36 AM
> To: chineseinternetresearch at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A call to 
> "nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored and then "liberated" 
> in Free Weibo
> Dear all,
>
> It might be of interest to some of you who is analysing censorship
> and/or ideological struggles in mainland China.
>
> * Zhang Hongliang (張宏良), a leftist commentator advocates to
> "nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites such as Sina, Sohu, Biadu,
> Netease, etc. http://kan.wyzxsd.com/article/elite/2013/05/301838.html For
> an English partial translation of the article, please read:
> http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/23/well-known-chinese-leftist-advocates-militarized-internet/
>
> * The article was removed and thus censored by Sina blog and Sina Weibo
>
> * The article is now in Free Weibo:
> https://freeweibo.com/weibo/3579021897679484
>
> The questions remain: Can the US authorities ask these major "Chinese"
> portal sites to do what they want and what Beijing does not want? Is it
> likely or even possible that all these portal sites make a concerted
> effort declare not to follow filtering/censorship directives altogether,
> seeking sympathy/support from Chinese Internet users?
>
> Best,
> han-teng liao
>
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