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<p>It would indeed be hard to add substance to what you say, I do admit. <br>
<br>
In any case I remain intrigued at the strategic use of quotation marks in
the subject of this email<br>
<br>
Are the portals in question not chinese? Did whichever ideologue (short for
either an oblique hemi demi semi official pronouncement as like as not) it
was call for something other than nationalization? <br>
<br>
Analysing the complex interplay between chinese internet providers and
their regulatory authorities is certainly fascinating and that was what I
was pointing out. And that remains more complex and heavily intertwined
than anything you see, and often do criticize<br>
<br>
--srs (htc one x)<br>
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<p>On 24 May 2013 10:33:46 AM "michael gurstein" <gurstein@gmail.com>
wrote:</p>
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class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Suresh,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Your
response to my post of what I think is rather neutral information of
general use and value is typical of your behaviour and also a good
indication of why I and I would assume anyone with any sense would be
reluctant to contribute anything substantive to this
list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Since
you seem not to have anything of any substance to add to the note that I
sent, there is IMHO no call or need to respond at all and certainly none to
make quite incorrect and personalized comments (I would be interested to
see the specific posts where I "rail" against the US or anyone
else).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div
style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in
0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>
Suresh Ramasubramanian [mailto:suresh@hserus.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday,
May 24, 2013 7:36 AM<br><b>To:</b> michael gurstein;
governance@lists.igcaucus.org; ciresearchers@vancouvercommunity.net;
brics-internet-research@vancouvercommunity.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[governance] [chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A call to
"nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored
and then "liberated" in Free
Weibo<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>Any censorship or liberation takes
place under government oversight <br><br>And china is the sort of place
where the government and industry, even private industry, are heavily
intertwined, with policy decisions and corporate interests linked to an
extent that would dwarf what you routinely rail against in the usa
<br><br>--srs (htc one x)<o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p>On 24 May 2013 9:56:08 AM
"michael gurstein" wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Without
having a lot of background I found this rather difficult to follow but
interesting as an insight into aspects of Chinese Internet politics,
governance and control.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Also,
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a
href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/22/how-social-commerce-tighens-chinas-grip-on-the-internet/">http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/22/how-social-commerce-tighens-chinas-grip-on-the-internet/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M</span><o:p></o:p></p><p
class=MsoNormal><span
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class=MsoNormal><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com">chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com</a>
[<a
href="mailto:chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com">mailto:chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Han-Teng Liao<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 24, 2013 6:36
AM<br><b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com">chineseinternetresearch@yahoogroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b>
[chineseinternetresearch] Some traces of irony: A call to
"nationalize" major "Chinese" portal sites is censored
and then "liberated" in Free Weibo</span>
<o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><p
style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear all,<br><br>It might be of interest to
some of you who is analysing censorship<br>and/or ideological struggles in
mainland China.<br><br>* Zhang Hongliang (<span
style='font-family:"MS Gothic"'>張宏良</span>), a leftist commentator
advocates to<br>"nationalize" major "Chinese" portal
sites such as Sina, Sohu, Biadu,<br>Netease, etc. <a
href="http://kan.wyzxsd.com/article/elite/2013/05/301838.html">http://kan.wyzxsd.com/article/elite/2013/05/301838.html</a>
For<br>an English partial translation of the article, please read:<br><a
href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/23/well-known-chinese-leftist-advocates-militarized-internet/">http://globalvoicesonline.org/2013/05/23/well-known-chinese-leftist-advocates-militarized-internet/</a><br><br>*
The article was removed and thus censored by Sina blog and Sina
Weibo<br><br>* The article is now in Free Weibo:<br><a
href="https://freeweibo.com/weibo/3579021897679484">https://freeweibo.com/weibo/3579021897679484</a><br><br>The
questions remain: Can the US authorities ask these major
"Chinese"<br>portal sites to do what they want and what Beijing
does not want? Is it<br>likely or even possible that all these portal sites
make a concerted<br>effort declare not to follow filtering/censorship
directives altogether,<br>seeking sympathy/support from Chinese Internet
users?<br><br>Best,<br>han-teng liao<br><br>[Non-text portions of this
message have been removed]<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p
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