[governance] simple suggestion
jfcallo at ciencitec.com
jfcallo at ciencitec.com
Thu May 23 16:00:54 EDT 2013
(English)
Distinguished members:
Thanks for being on the payroll of this team, I see absurd to be
wasting time looking at the issue of choosing between only 5 members.
Is it necessary to complicate something so simple?. Why not, it's the
community that you can select or who is older, is president of this
section.
Thanks and sorry.
(Spanish)
Distinguidos miembros:
Gracias por estar en la nomina de este equipo, lo veo absurdo estar
perdiendo el tiempo en ver el asunto de elegir entre tan solo 5
miembros. ¿Es necesario complicarnos en algo tan simple?. Porque no,
que sea la comunidad la que eliga o quien tiene mayor edad, sea el
presidente de esta seccion.
Gracias y disculpen.
José F. Callo Romero
CEO ciencitec.com
Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq at gmail.com> escribió:
> Normally (parliamentary practice) the president is elected from
> inside the board when is a member of the board with the same range
> of other members. In this situation, the vote of chairman tie when a
> draw situation occurs. So president does not vote UNLESS a draw occur.
>
> If the president is elected from outside then normally is a non
> voting member and acts as an executive director to the board is an
> executive more than a director or member of the board.
>
> I suggest to select the chair from the 5 members, with non voting
> rights, unless a draw situation occurs.
>
>
>
> Carlos Vera
> 0988141143
>
> El 23/05/2013, a las 13:30, Sonigitu Ekpe <soekpe at gmail.com> escribió:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I think, it will be better to go for Charter amendment as to have
>> clarity on this causes.
>>
>> Since the two option had be use before now.
>>
>> Then lets decide on one option or use bottom options as a result of
>> the "hat on"[Coordinators].
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Sonigitu Ekpe Aji :-@ SEA
>>
>> "Life becomes more meaningful; when we think of others, positively."
>>
>> +234 8027510179
>>
>> On May 23, 2013 4:45 PM, "Kivuva" <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>> Congrats to all especially to Wilson Abigaba
>>> I second Ginger Paque as the non-voting chair.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Mwendwa Kivuva
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 May 2013 17:48, Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm reluctant to propose Charter amendments but this issue needs
>>>> clarification in the Charter.
>>>> I believe - open to correction - that the last time a NomCom was
>>>> used the Chair was in fact one of the random selectees?
>>>> The pointing to the Charter of a different group feels
>>>> uncomfortable to me; it would seem preferable to refer to the
>>>> obvious logic of having an uneven number of members to avoid a
>>>> split vote, and including someone with no responsibility to vote
>>>> who can facilitate the process itself.
>>>> Deirdre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 May 2013 10:30, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
>>>>> Carlos Vera Quintana <cveraq at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Usually in parliamentary practice, the non voting status means vote
>>>>> > ONLY when there is not a majority in the board (i.e if and only if
>>>>> > there is a draw in the board the chair vote to tie)
>>>>>
>>>>> More relevant to the question at hand is the language in RFC 1601 where
>>>>> it is clear that the “non-voting chair” was in addition to the “members
>>>>> picked at random from a pool of volunteers”, not one of them:
>>>>>
>>>>> The IETF nomination committee is formed every year and consists of
>>>>> a non-voting chair designated by the Internet Society and seven
>>>>> members picked at random from a pool of volunteers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yet more significantly, our Charter says about the selection of the
>>>>> “members selected at random”:
>>>>>
>>>>> A nominating committee will be composed of 5 IGC members selected
>>>>> at random according to the process documented in RFC3797.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is a copy of the abstract of RFC 3797:
>>>>>
>>>>> This document describes a method for making random selections in such
>>>>> a way that the unbiased nature of the choice is publicly verifiable.
>>>>> As an example, the selection of the voting members of the IETF
>>>>> Nominations Committee (NomCom) from the pool of eligible volunteers
>>>>> is used. Similar techniques would be applicable to other cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having reviewed all this, I'm coming to the conclusion that in view of
>>>>> how the word “members” is used in RFC 1601 and in RFC 3797, it is
>>>>> pretty clear that the practice which the drafters of this part of the
>>>>> Charter were intending to establish is that the “non-voting chair” is a
>>>>> participant in the NomCom in addition to the five “members” who are
>>>>> selected randomly, for a total of six participants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>> Norbert
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> 2. Be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you accept
>>>>>
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