[governance] Spamhaus

Thu Mar 28 04:28:28 EDT 2013

There are best practices.  But all these blocklists are run by various individuals, and getting them all to follow best practices is almost as (if not more) difficult than trying to make people on this list stay on topic and not go off on rants about anything from tax avoidance onwards.

The advantage that blocklists have over this situation is that only the best managed and most professionally run blocklists will survive for long and have a significant adoption in the market.

--srs (iPad)

On 28-Mar-2013, at 13:49, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:

> A crucial failure of the antispam services is the lack of clear methods to communicate with legitimate services which they unilaterally decide to blacklist. Like any other service, blacklisting a legitimate service without first informing the service of  impending action is unacceptable, even if some of these blacklisters are nonprofit.
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> Whatever the several RFCs on the subject recommend, most do not  follow basic rules which, if violated, would be illegal in any country with reasonable consumer laws and rules which regulate proper business practices.
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> We operate our nonprofit Internet services since the beginning of the 90s. In several cases in which one of our services was about to be blacklisted, we received proper communication and were able to act to fix the problem. But recently most of these services do not bother to get in touch, and provide scant or non-existent ways to check why the service was blacklisted. The fact that several blacklisters are derivations from others compounds the problem, which is aggravated when these services are converted into money-making joints (even if disguised as nonprofit).
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> Above all, there is need for far better coordination and a clear code of conduct.
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> fraternal regards
> 
> --c.a.
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> C. A. Afonso
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> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> 
> Date: 27/03/2013 21:15 (GMT-03:00) 
> To: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,"Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> 
> Cc: governance at lists.igcaucus.org,Deirdre Williams <williams.deirdre at gmail.com> 
> Subject: Re: [governance] Spamhaus 
> 
> 
> Barracuda is a single vendor .. One out of two or three comparatively more obscure ones that seem to do this.
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> In the over a decade spamhaus has operated I have not seen spamhaus people take a single penny from anyone at all in matters to do with listing or removal of IPs.
> 
> Did you get listed by spamhaus ever?  I am not counting any of the dozens of poorly operated blocklists out there, most of which have one guy and his family dog using them compared to spamhaus that has a footprint of billions of mailboxes across ISPs, civil society organizations, industry and individuals with their own mail servers using it.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
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> On 27-Mar-2013, at 23:20, "Carlos A. Afonso" <ca at cafonso.ca> wrote:
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> > I have been reporting cases revealing the absurd autonomy antispam businesses have, our services being one of the thousands of victims. Now it seems that finally more voices are joining in trying to at least discuss the issues.
> > 
> > We have all of our addresses perfectly identified in *thick* WHOIS, we keep to all rules regarding relating our addresses to our services, and still we eventually get caught by an antispam "service" proposing we pay them money to get out of it. I recall the case of the infamous Barracuda, which sells antispam software, as the first to try and extort money from us. Since we protested in quite strong terms and made a bit of a noise, they left us alone. But there are plenty of others.
> > 
> > Where is the technical community when we need it? :)
> > 
> > frt rgds
> > 
> > --c.a.
> > 
> > On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote:
> >> And meanwhile, quietly, and apparently below the radar ...
> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636
> >> Deirdre
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