[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

parminder parminder at itforchange.net
Tue Mar 26 09:05:37 EDT 2013 

On Tuesday 26 March 2013 01:02 PM, Ian Peter wrote:
> Wish I had a simple answer, Parminder....

A complex answer will do as long as it means we can do something as 
civil society :)
> Awareness is the starting point, people aren’t talking about this or 
> realising the ramifications. With growing awareness perhaps some 
> sensible widely supported actions will emerge, or perhaps a multitude 
> of related actions.
> This needs a broad social movement, and at some time an agreed course 
> of action. If Brett Solomon is reading here, he might have some 
> suggestions, and other groups here such as Electronic Frontier 
> Foundation also have wide experience in this sort of area.

Awareness, social movement building and political actions all work in a 
kind of dialectic (or trialectic) .... And at different times, there are 
different windows of opportunity. Right now we have a UN Working Group 
with the mandate to look into what is the appropriate institutional 
architecture for global governance. And we need to give our response to 
it. No, time wont wait. It took 8 years to get this working group, and 
it has just a year to produce its report. And if we do not respond to 
this opportunity, another similar one may not come for decades.

It is fine if we prefer one kind of institutional architecture over the 
other - and our choice should be able to cover the whole gamut of issues 
that we have been discussing (so, no,again, it is not just critical 
Internet resources). However, we will need to make the overall choice 
now. Or the choice will be made by default. As they say, in politics, 
not doing anything is also an active political choice. I think it is 
this moment of reckoning that faces the civil society today. Will we be 
once again only be reactive. Or are we able to be a part of setting the 
agenda this time around.

parminder


> But right now detailed analysis of Tallinn and its ramifications, 
> brought down to a small readable document with the major points 
> highlighted, would be a good step.
> Ian
> *From:* parminder <mailto:parminder at itforchange.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2013 5:38 PM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; Ian Peter 
> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
> On Monday 25 March 2013 02:08 AM, Ian Peter wrote:
>> I agree with Lee – I think there might be a lot we can do.
>> I think there is a strong argument for a declaration of an Internet 
>> war free zone of sorts – I think of Swiss neutrality, 
>> non-proliferation treaties, nuclear weapon free zones, etc. I think a 
>> compelling argument can be made that cyberwarfare with its inability 
>> to localise damage can be seen to be something we should not 
>> contemplate. We may not be able to stop it, but we may be able to 
>> have it declared illegal or immoral. That would be a good first step.
>
> Ian,
>
> Where do you think these steps can be taken, in an effective manner? 
> Civil society needs a real doable roadmap.
>
> parminder
>
>> Ian Peter
>> *From:* Lee W McKnight <mailto:lmcknigh at syr.edu>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 25, 2013 7:29 AM
>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org 
>> <mailto:governance at lists.igcaucus.org> ; Louis Pouzin (well) 
>> <mailto:pouzin at well.com> ; Ian Peter <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>> Louis,
>>
>> re CS influence, I note the Red Cross had a seat at the table while 
>> the docs were drafted or at least was on the pre-publication review 
>> list, unsure myself how they worked together.
>>
>> But I would not be so dismissive of CS's ability to influence 
>> modification of part or object to certain sections. In fact, sounds 
>> like a good topic for an IGC co-sponsored workshop at IGF...assuming 
>> we don;t already have a submission coming in right on target.
>>
>> Now putting on my political and media games analyst hat...the public 
>> naming and shaming of the particular building in Shanghai full of 
>> People's Liberation Army contractors incessantly cracking government 
>> and firm systems and - borrowing?- or should I say sharing for 
>> themselves that information, fits in context of the push towards new 
>> international law for cyber warfare.
>>
>> Which in principle may be better than the absence of such a legal 
>> framework; or granted, possibly worse when implemented in practice.
>>
>> But my comment is just that it is too soon to say how this will all 
>> play out, and we should not assume we cannot have an impact on the path.
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> PS: And belated warmest congratulations!!! : )
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* pouzin at gmail.com [pouzin at gmail.com] on behalf of Louis Pouzin 
>> (well) [pouzin at well.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:37 PM
>> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; Ian Peter
>> *Subject:* [governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com 
>> <mailto:ian.peter at ianpeter.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
>>     A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a
>>     set of rules for how international cyberwarfare should be
>>     conducted. Written by 20 experts in conjunction with the
>>     International Committee of the Red Cross and the US Cyber
>>     Command, the/Tallinn Manual on the International Law Applicable
>>     to Cyber Warfare/
>>     <http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true>analyzes
>>     the rules of conventional war and applies them to state-sponsored
>>     cyberattacks.
>>     http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
>>     - - -
>>
>> Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal 
>> definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. 
>> Initiatives belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the 
>> capacity to follow or violate the rules. CS doesn't have much 
>> influence, except through occasional media power.
>>
>> Some more frightening documents on real war:
>>
>> http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110
>>
>> http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture
>>
>> One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized 
>> language to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was 
>> anticipated by Orwell (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor 
>> camp (concentration), nazism special treatment (gas chamber), maoism 
>> reeducation (deportation), bushism and obamism extraordinary 
>> rendition (torture), inter alia.
>>
>> Louis
>>
>
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