[governance] Tallin Manual - a Cyber Warfare convention?

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

War is also about reducing or softening up your enemy's critical 
information infrastructure as a precursor to an actual attack by your 
armed forces

Cyber warfare is a low level, asymmetrical and plausibly deniable 
method to accomplish this, much like some countries use non state 
actors to carry out a proxy war against their enemies

--srs (htc one x)



On 24 March 2013 10:38:13 PM Aldo Matteucci <aldo.matteucci at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Dr. POUZIN
>
> A 302 page manual for "cyber warfare"
> I'm impressed.
>
> I only have one problem: cyber warfare is a misnomer.
>
> *War*'s aim is "regime change" - territorial occupation or so. It was about
> conquest of* immovable property*.
> Wars in pre-industrial societies were affairs among extractive elites -
> hence subject to rules.
>
> *Raids*, however, to rob movable* property*, were never the object of
> international rules. A raider was strung up, and that was that.
> The problem the US has, after 9/11, was that they were trying to apply the
> rules of war to a raid.
>
> Aldo
>
>
> On 24 March 2013 17:37, Louis Pouzin (well) <pouzin at well.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com> wrote:
> >
> >>   As Samuel Morse might have remarked, “What God hath wrought”.
> >>
> >> A landmark document created at the request of NATO has proposed a set of
> >> rules for how international cyberwarfare should be conducted. Written by 20
> >> experts in conjunction with the International Committee of the Red Cross
> >> and the US Cyber Command, the*Tallinn Manual on the International Law
> >> Applicable to Cyber 
> Warfare*<http://issuu.com/nato_ccd_coe/docs/tallinnmanual?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true>
> >>  analyzes the rules of conventional war and applies them to
> >> state-sponsored cyberattacks.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.theverge.com/2013/3/21/4130740/tallin-manual-on-the-international-law-applicable-to-cyber-warfare
> >>
> >>  - - -
> >>
> >
> > Thanks Ian for precious links. It seems that time is coming for legal
> > definitions of cyberwarfare, in which we are living already. Initiatives
> > belong to the powers that be, the only ones with the capacity to follow or
> > violate the rules. CS doesn't have much influence, except through
> > occasional media power.
> >
> > Some more frightening documents on real war:
> >
> >
> > 
> http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/latin_america_territorio_libre_from_the_cia_partner/?source=newsletter&utm_source=contactology&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Salon_Daily%20Newsletter%20%28Premium%29_7_30_110
> >
> > http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/projects/globalizing-torture
> >
> > One may observe that oppressive regimes resort to coded sanitized language
> > to mean illegal and criminal activities. This was anticipated by Orwell
> > (newspeak), and turned real with soviet labor camp (concentration), nazism
> > special treatment (gas chamber), maoism reeducation (deportation), bushism
> > and obamism extraordinary rendition (torture), inter alia.
> >
> > Louis
> >
> >
> >
> >
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