[governance] A workshop on Nnenna's questions? (was Re: Blogpost:...)

Adam Peake ajp at glocom.ac.jp
Fri Mar 22 11:43:02 EDT 2013 

On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:00 PM, Norbert Bollow <nb at bollow.ch> wrote:
> [with IGC coordinator hat on]
>
> In any case, if the idea is to go forward, in whatever way, it will
> need a volunteer to move it forward.
>
> BTW "there should be fewer workshops" has *not* been adopted as an
> IGC consensus position. The thought was included in the recent IGC
> statement, but only with a "Some of us suggest:" qualifier, because
> it did not get consensus otherwise.
>


OK, could you check.  I don't remember anyone saying more workshops
better, perhaps one saying it wasn't an issue, and quite a number
saying less would be good (one way or another saying a drop in numbers
would be good).

it does matter.   Seems one of the reasons for this preliminary
proposal process is to try and reduce the number of workshops, to
reduce duplicates on the same topic, and to make the barrier a bit
higher for frequent contributors.  If there really isn't consensus
that the number of workshops should be reduced this year (there were
11 parallel tracks in Baku) then CS MAG members might like to know
that's the prevailing view.

Thanks,

Adam



> Greetings,
> Norbert
>
> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>
>> Does this HAVE to be a workshop proposal?  In nanog there are
>> "lightning talks" .. impromptu gatherings where people can stand up,
>> speak without slides and get feedback, I am sure if the concept
>> doesn't catch on in the IGF there's always scope for several people
>> to have a quiet drink in one of the several bars bali has, and spend
>> some time discussing this.
>>
>> --srs (iPad)
>>
>> On 22-Mar-2013, at 16:06, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>>
>> > Would this be consistent with the IGC position that there should be
>> > fewer workshops?  And how does IGC and all the usual faces packing
>> > the field with proposals help with diversity in MS processes?
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, March 22, 2013, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> >> How should these questions be taken forward?
>> >>
>> >> With the deadline extension, there would be time to quickly put
>> >> together a workshop proposal on these matters in addition to the
>> >> much more narrowly scoped workshop proposal that we have already
>> >> decided on.
>> >>
>> >> I think that the questions are certainly important enough to
>> >> justify that.
>> >>
>> >> Greetings,
>> >> Norbert
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Nnenna has asked ALL the right questions.
>> >> >
>> >> > --srs (iPad)
>> >> >
>> >> > On 22-Mar-2013, at 13:09, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > And perhaps as a starting point, Nnenna's email from a few
>> >> > > days ago.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Adam
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "The discussion, I think, has started. It might have taken off
>> >> > > in a not-very-comfortable way, but it certainly cannot be
>> >> > > killed off now.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > In many "CS"-related issues now, my ready answer is "Thanks,
>> >> > > but no, thanks". And mostly because of  the lack of clear
>> >> > > principles on methodology.  We have been in this "process" for
>> >> > > 10 years (at least for some) and we still have not adopted
>> >> > > principles for selection and for representation.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The time for that discussion is right.  We may not get a full
>> >> > > consensus, but at least a partial one will help future "focal
>> >> > > points". Were it not for discussions, we would not have a
>> >> > > Charter as a group.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Having been in a lot of "focal point" and representative
>> >> > > "positions" for Africa Civil society, I can only say that a 3,
>> >> > > 4, or 5 principles document, that has been discussed and has
>> >> > > met a level of consensus here will be VERY helpful.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > My thoughts are that we need to discuss methods for:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 1. Informing on and disseminating
>> >> > > opportunities/positions/calls. For the CSTD, I actually had to
>> >> > > tweet that I have been impressed by the way Anriette and the
>> >> > > APC group shared the information. I cannot say if it because I
>> >> > > am in so many mailing lists with APC folks.. but I can tell
>> >> > > you that there was a "a clean, clear and determined decision
>> >> > > to disseminate information".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 2. Understanding of "developed and developing" nations. One
>> >> > > may be tempted to follow the UN categories... but in the case
>> >> > > of Internet and IG issues.. Global Information watchdogs may
>> >> > > want to differ.  I would love to hear others on this though
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 3. Gender mainstreaming. How do we ensure this in
>> >> > > representations. Should we discuss a minimum quota?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 4. Older vs newer blood. This is perhaps the most critical
>> >> > > dilemma that any "xyz selection team or focal point" may face.
>> >> > > Are we going to have the same faces (albeit with a greater
>> >> > > tinge of gray) all the time? How do we strike the balance
>> >> > > between getting newer/younger people to follow in our paths
>> >> > > while maintaining legacy? What orientation mechanism in
>> >> > > process, issues and manners  around IG issues can we put in
>> >> > > place to help people who will arrive "after us" to be able to
>> >> > > follow. Most selection are looking for "qualified" people...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 5. What will be the better  choice in the cases where a choice
>> >> > > must be made between experience and representation, or between
>> >> > > experience and opportunity for growth?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 6. Is there a certain limit (at least in the case of IG-related
>> >> > > issues) to which an individual can "represent civil society"?
>> >> > > When can someone say "we" and when does it need to be "I"? Will
>> >> > > representation always be synonymous with "people who can
>> >> > > travel and be there physically"?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 7. How does "CS" curb what is beginning to appear to me as "an
>> >> > > extreme need to be selected" in which I see certain names in
>> >> > > almost anything that has "selection, representation and
>> >> > > travel" attached to it?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 8. ..... many more...:)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nnennna "
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