[governance] A workshop on Nnenna's questions? (was Re: Blogpost:...)

Fri Mar 22 07:00:05 EDT 2013

[with IGC coordinator hat on]

In any case, if the idea is to go forward, in whatever way, it will
need a volunteer to move it forward.

BTW "there should be fewer workshops" has *not* been adopted as an
IGC consensus position. The thought was included in the recent IGC
statement, but only with a "Some of us suggest:" qualifier, because
it did not get consensus otherwise.

Greetings,
Norbert

Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> Does this HAVE to be a workshop proposal?  In nanog there are
> "lightning talks" .. impromptu gatherings where people can stand up,
> speak without slides and get feedback, I am sure if the concept
> doesn't catch on in the IGF there's always scope for several people
> to have a quiet drink in one of the several bars bali has, and spend
> some time discussing this.
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
> On 22-Mar-2013, at 16:06, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> 
> > Would this be consistent with the IGC position that there should be
> > fewer workshops?  And how does IGC and all the usual faces packing
> > the field with proposals help with diversity in MS processes?
> > 
> > Adam
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, March 22, 2013, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> >> How should these questions be taken forward?
> >> 
> >> With the deadline extension, there would be time to quickly put
> >> together a workshop proposal on these matters in addition to the
> >> much more narrowly scoped workshop proposal that we have already
> >> decided on.
> >> 
> >> I think that the questions are certainly important enough to
> >> justify that.
> >> 
> >> Greetings,
> >> Norbert
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Nnenna has asked ALL the right questions.
> >> >
> >> > --srs (iPad)
> >> >
> >> > On 22-Mar-2013, at 13:09, Adam Peake <ajp at glocom.ac.jp> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > And perhaps as a starting point, Nnenna's email from a few
> >> > > days ago.
> >> > >
> >> > > Adam
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "The discussion, I think, has started. It might have taken off
> >> > > in a not-very-comfortable way, but it certainly cannot be
> >> > > killed off now.
> >> > >
> >> > > In many "CS"-related issues now, my ready answer is "Thanks,
> >> > > but no, thanks". And mostly because of  the lack of clear
> >> > > principles on methodology.  We have been in this "process" for
> >> > > 10 years (at least for some) and we still have not adopted
> >> > > principles for selection and for representation.
> >> > >
> >> > > The time for that discussion is right.  We may not get a full
> >> > > consensus, but at least a partial one will help future "focal
> >> > > points". Were it not for discussions, we would not have a
> >> > > Charter as a group.
> >> > >
> >> > > Having been in a lot of "focal point" and representative
> >> > > "positions" for Africa Civil society, I can only say that a 3,
> >> > > 4, or 5 principles document, that has been discussed and has
> >> > > met a level of consensus here will be VERY helpful.
> >> > >
> >> > > My thoughts are that we need to discuss methods for:
> >> > >
> >> > > 1. Informing on and disseminating
> >> > > opportunities/positions/calls. For the CSTD, I actually had to
> >> > > tweet that I have been impressed by the way Anriette and the
> >> > > APC group shared the information. I cannot say if it because I
> >> > > am in so many mailing lists with APC folks.. but I can tell
> >> > > you that there was a "a clean, clear and determined decision
> >> > > to disseminate information".
> >> > >
> >> > > 2. Understanding of "developed and developing" nations. One
> >> > > may be tempted to follow the UN categories... but in the case
> >> > > of Internet and IG issues.. Global Information watchdogs may
> >> > > want to differ.  I would love to hear others on this though
> >> > >
> >> > > 3. Gender mainstreaming. How do we ensure this in
> >> > > representations. Should we discuss a minimum quota?
> >> > >
> >> > > 4. Older vs newer blood. This is perhaps the most critical
> >> > > dilemma that any "xyz selection team or focal point" may face.
> >> > > Are we going to have the same faces (albeit with a greater
> >> > > tinge of gray) all the time? How do we strike the balance
> >> > > between getting newer/younger people to follow in our paths
> >> > > while maintaining legacy? What orientation mechanism in
> >> > > process, issues and manners  around IG issues can we put in
> >> > > place to help people who will arrive "after us" to be able to
> >> > > follow. Most selection are looking for "qualified" people...
> >> > >
> >> > > 5. What will be the better  choice in the cases where a choice
> >> > > must be made between experience and representation, or between
> >> > > experience and opportunity for growth?
> >> > >
> >> > > 6. Is there a certain limit (at least in the case of IG-related
> >> > > issues) to which an individual can "represent civil society"?
> >> > > When can someone say "we" and when does it need to be "I"? Will
> >> > > representation always be synonymous with "people who can
> >> > > travel and be there physically"?
> >> > >
> >> > > 7. How does "CS" curb what is beginning to appear to me as "an
> >> > > extreme need to be selected" in which I see certain names in
> >> > > almost anything that has "selection, representation and
> >> > > travel" attached to it?
> >> > >
> >> > > 8. ..... many more...:)
> >> > >
> >> > > Nnennna "
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