[governance] RE: [webwewant] Surveillance discovered in Brazil

Sat Jun 22 10:46:36 EDT 2013

And having it before the "enemy" - which may be another corporation,
country, political party, ad infinitum. And they may have a "better" intel
(pardon the pun) device so its natural we'd want to upgrade paying a couple
of mil every few months.

Reminds me of the classic Star Trek "Arsenal of Freedom" - where this alien
species in the business of weapon trade sells to both sides of warring
factions. Finally their own weapons get so powerful and sophisticated that
they not only wipe out their creators, they also "hard sell" themseleves to
visitors (by effectively holding the visitors captive and calling it a
'demonstration'). ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Freedom

-C

On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <
diegocanabarro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to add something new, the Brazilian Minister of Defense, in an
> interview to Folha de São Paulo, pointed out the PRISM case as another
> reason for the country to keep investing in cyber offensive and defensive
> capabilities. Honestly, those things are only indirectly related. But that
> is what one could expect: that some state agencies and some private
> companies will seize this opportunity to spread the idea that cybersecurity
> is only a matter of buying the appropriate stuff.
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> What seems to be rapidly emerging is that this is a multi-centred problem
>> (you didn't mention Canada and the other members of the "5 eyes" group) and
>> of course the actions of more traditional state actor surveillance players
>> such as China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc..  All of this is requiring of some
>> sort of global response and presumably in the ideal world (and as presumed
>> goals for ourselves) the development of some sort of global means and
>> mechanisms, tools and institutions for the privacy protection of all of us
>> "foreigners"/citizens of the Universal States of the Internetworked… (USI
>> for short) :)****
>>
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>> M****
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>> *From:* webwewant at googlegroups.com [mailto:webwewant at googlegroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Anne Jellema
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:57 AM
>> *To:* Carolina
>> *Cc:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org; webwewant at googlegroups.com; <
>> bestbits at lists.bestbits.net>; Berkman Friends;
>> redlatam at lists.accessnow.org; marcocivil at listas.ensol.org.br
>> *Subject:* Re: [webwewant] Surveillance discovered in Brazil****
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>> Coming on top of revelations about the UK, India, Finland and Germany  -
>> this really underscores the global nature of the problem. Nothing that
>> Frank LaRue didn't already warn about, but interesting that so much more is
>> starting to come to light. ****
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>> Because Tim B-L is a prominent name in the UK we're likely to get asked
>> for media comment on the UK spying revelations. This will provide another
>> opportunity to reinforce key messages agreed on these lists earlier. Also,
>> if any UK-based organisations want to work on a coordinated response,
>> please let me know, we'd be keen to contribute. ****
>>
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>> Cheers****
>>
>> Anne****
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>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Carolina <carolina.rossini at gmail.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> And without any social debate and oversight, ABIN (the Brazilian
>> "intelligence" agency) joins the surveillance trend and sets last minute
>> surveillance of social networks to discover and monitor protests in Brazil.
>> More on the "mosaic" project at:****
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>> (In Portuguese)****
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>>
>> http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,abin-monta-rede-para-monitorar-internet,1044500,0.htm
>> ****
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>>  ****
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>> I will keep an eye on it. There is not much about it yet...****
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>> Carol****
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