<div dir="ltr"><div>And having it before the "enemy" - which may be another corporation, country, political party, ad infinitum. And they may have a "better" intel (pardon the pun) device so its natural we'd want to upgrade paying a couple of mil every few months. </div>
<div> </div><div>Reminds me of the classic Star Trek "Arsenal of Freedom" - where this alien species in the business of weapon trade sells to both sides of warring factions. Finally their own weapons get so powerful and sophisticated that they not only wipe out their creators, they also "hard sell" themseleves to visitors (by effectively holding the visitors captive and calling it a 'demonstration'). ref: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Freedom">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_of_Freedom</a></div>
<div> </div><div>-C</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Diego Rafael Canabarro <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:diegocanabarro@gmail.com" target="_blank">diegocanabarro@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Just to add something new, the Brazilian Minister of Defense, in an interview to Folha de São Paulo, pointed out the PRISM case as another reason for the country to keep investing in cyber offensive and defensive capabilities. Honestly, those things are only indirectly related. But that is what one could expect: that some state agencies and some private companies will seize this opportunity to spread the idea that cybersecurity is only a matter of buying the appropriate stuff.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM, michael gurstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gurstein@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurstein@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div class="h5"><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue">
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">What seems to be rapidly emerging is that this is a multi-centred problem (you didn't mention Canada and the other members of the "5 eyes" group) and of course the actions of more traditional state actor surveillance players such as China, Russia, Saudi Arabia etc.. All of this is requiring of some sort of global response and presumably in the ideal world (and as presumed goals for ourselves) the development of some sort of global means and mechanisms, tools and institutions for the privacy protection of all of us "foreigners"/citizens of the Universal States of the Internetworked… (USI for short) :)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">M<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:webwewant@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">webwewant@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:webwewant@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">webwewant@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Anne Jellema<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Carolina<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:governance@lists.igcaucus.org" target="_blank">governance@lists.igcaucus.org</a>; <a href="mailto:webwewant@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">webwewant@googlegroups.com</a>; <<a href="mailto:bestbits@lists.bestbits.net" target="_blank">bestbits@lists.bestbits.net</a>>; Berkman Friends; <a href="mailto:redlatam@lists.accessnow.org" target="_blank">redlatam@lists.accessnow.org</a>; <a href="mailto:marcocivil@listas.ensol.org.br" target="_blank">marcocivil@listas.ensol.org.br</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [webwewant] Surveillance discovered in Brazil<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Coming on top of revelations about the UK, India, Finland and Germany - this really underscores the global nature of the problem. Nothing that Frank LaRue didn't already warn about, but interesting that so much more is starting to come to light. <u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Because Tim B-L is a prominent name in the UK we're likely to get asked for media comment on the UK spying revelations. This will provide another opportunity to reinforce key messages agreed on these lists earlier. Also, if any UK-based organisations want to work on a coordinated response, please let me know, we'd be keen to contribute. <u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anne<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Carolina <<a href="mailto:carolina.rossini@gmail.com" target="_blank">carolina.rossini@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><div><p class="MsoNormal">And without any social debate and oversight, ABIN (the Brazilian "intelligence" agency) joins the surveillance trend and sets last minute surveillance of social networks to discover and monitor protests in Brazil. More on the "mosaic" project at:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">(In Portuguese)<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><span style="font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif";font-size:11.5pt"><a href="http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,abin-monta-rede-para-monitorar-internet,1044500,0.htm" target="_blank">http://www.estadao.com.br/noticias/cidades,abin-monta-rede-para-monitorar-internet,1044500,0.htm</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif";font-size:11.5pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif";font-size:11.5pt">I will keep an eye on it. There is not much about it yet...</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif";font-size:11.5pt">Carol</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-family:".HelveticaNeueUI","serif";font-size:11.5pt"><br></span>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><span><font color="#888888"><p class="MsoNormal">
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