[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

By the way .. http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/

That, and the conspiracy theories floating around do gel so very well together.

--srs (iPad)

On 08-Jun-2013, at 19:58, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net> wrote:

> And standing armies are a feature of most if not all democracies, around the world, for some centuries since the mid 1700s.  Even one where the government is as decentralized as, say, Switzerland.
> 
> We don't quite have armed soldiers doing any of this snooping, either.  So how or why does this analogy come into the picture?
> 
> --srs (iPad)
> 
> On 08-Jun-2013, at 19:49, Riaz K Tayob <riaz.tayob at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.
>> Speech, Constitutional Convention (1787-06-29), from Max Farrand's Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, vol. I [1] (1911), p. 465
>> On 2013/06/08 04:45 PM, Kerry Brown wrote:
>>> Here is a Canadian perspective on this. How many other governments are doing this?
>>> 
>>> http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6869/125/
>>> 
>>> We are living in 1984. This is not just a privacy issue. It is a fundamental change in our western democratic values. The only way we can change this is by keeping this at the forefront in the media. It must be a top issue in all elections. That is the good thing about democracies. Change is possible. It may take a long time, but it is possible.
>>> 
>>> Kerry Brown
>>> 
>> 
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