<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>By the way .. <a href="http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/">http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/</a><br><br>That, and the conspiracy theories floating around do gel so very well together.</div><div><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 08-Jun-2013, at 19:58, Suresh Ramasubramanian <<a href="mailto:suresh@hserus.net">suresh@hserus.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>And standing armies are a feature of most if not all democracies, around the world, for some centuries since the mid 1700s. Even one where the government is as decentralized as, say, Switzerland.</div><div><br></div><div>We don't quite have armed soldiers doing any of this snooping, either. So how or why does this analogy come into the picture?<br><br>--srs (iPad)</div><div><br>On 08-Jun-2013, at 19:49, Riaz K Tayob <<a href="mailto:riaz.tayob@gmail.com">riaz.tayob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly
given to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has
the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. <b>A
standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long
be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence against
foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at
home.</b> Among the Romans it was a standing maxim to excite a
war, whenever a revolt was apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the
armies kept up under the pretext of defending, have enslaved the
people.
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<li>Speech, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Convention" class="extiw" title="w:Philadelphia Convention">Constitutional
Convention</a> (<a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=1787-06-29&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="1787-06-29 (page does not exist)">1787-06-29</a>),
from Max Farrand's <i>Records of the Federal Convention of
1787,</i> vol. I <a rel="nofollow" class="external
autonumber" href="http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llfr&fileName=001/llfr001.db&recNum=494&itemLink=D?hlaw:5:./temp/%7Eammem_kmli::%230010495&linkText=1">[1]</a>
(1911), p. 465</li>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2013/06/08 04:45 PM, Kerry Brown
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<pre wrap="">Here is a Canadian perspective on this. How many other governments are doing this?
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6869/125/">http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6869/125/</a>
We are living in 1984. This is not just a privacy issue. It is a fundamental change in our western democratic values. The only way we can change this is by keeping this at the forefront in the media. It must be a top issue in all elections. That is the good thing about democracies. Change is possible. It may take a long time, but it is possible.
Kerry Brown
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