[governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | guardian.co.uk

[Riaz K Tayob]

I believe in the reality of choice.

To translate, from one Third World perspective, pithily:

1. Imperialism (abroad) breeds tyranny at home - Madison saw it. Foreign 
entanglements were a real problem because of the kind of people it 
strengthened in power.

2. Europe later America has had the tools for the emancipation of 
humanity. They have not been up to the task. Hence the challenge by some 
third worldists on the monopoly of definition and the rights to 
determine the terms of the terms of the debate (much like Haitian's took 
liberte, egalite, fraternity and gave the vote to all irrespective of 
property ownership).

3. As Pouzin pointed out, this is old hat, but gets coverage now. 
Groundless (as meta-narrative - like centre/periphery, third worldism) 
"evidence" cannot rebut the presumption in favour of advanced countries 
who live under a dualistic system - increasingly democratic but also 
paranoic and hence authoritarian-like.

4. In historical time, Madison points out this has been constitutive of 
democracy itself, much like the early US settlers who wanted to be free 
men, including free to keep slaves.

Riaz


On 2013/06/08 05:43 PM, Kerry Brown wrote:
>
> I’m not sure of your point. Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my 
> contention that in a modern democracy we have a chance to change this 
> type of behaviour by those in power?
>
> Kerry Brown
>
> *From:*governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org 
> [mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org] *On Behalf Of *Riaz K Tayob
> *Sent:* June-08-13 7:19 AM
> *To:* governance at lists.igcaucus.org
> *Subject:* Re: [governance] FW: [IP] NSA has direct access to tech 
> giants' systems for user data, secrAnet files reveal | World news | 
> guardian.co.uk
>
> In time of actual war, great discretionary powers are constantly given 
> to the Executive Magistrate. Constant apprehension of War, has the 
> same tendency to render the head too large for the body. *A standing 
> military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe 
> companions to liberty. The means of defence against foreign danger 
> have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.* Among the Romans 
> it was a standing maxim to excite a war, whenever a revolt was 
> apprehended. Throughout all Europe, the armies kept up under the 
> pretext of defending, have enslaved the people.
>
>   * Speech, Constitutional Convention
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Convention> (1787-06-29
>     <http://en.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=1787-06-29&action=edit&redlink=1>),
>     from Max Farrand's /Records of the Federal Convention of 1787,/
>     vol. I [1]
>     <http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llfr&fileName=001/llfr001.db&recNum=494&itemLink=D?hlaw:5:./temp/%7Eammem_kmli::%230010495&linkText=1>
>     (1911), p. 465
>
> On 2013/06/08 04:45 PM, Kerry Brown wrote:
>
>     Here is a Canadian perspective on this. How many other governments are doing this?
>
>       
>
>     http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6869/125/
>
>       
>
>     We are living in 1984. This is not just a privacy issue. It is a fundamental change in our western democratic values. The only way we can change this is by keeping this at the forefront in the media. It must be a top issue in all elections. That is the good thing about democracies. Change is possible. It may take a long time, but it is possible.
>
>       
>
>     Kerry Brown
>
>       
>

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