[governance] NSA has direct access to tech giants' systems for user data, secret ppt reveals

Fri Jun 7 17:48:46 EDT 2013

If the information is false, the companies will certainly take legal action
(not just PR) to clear their names and will seek compensation for damages.
Specially because they are US based, which would make it easier. Only a
totally transparent judicial review could possibly settle this case. At
this point, even if the US gov apologized or said the story is not true
(which they did not), the doubts would still remain. Would they be truly
apologizing? Would they be trying to hush up the story not to lose the
whole alleged scheme? I don't see how companies could possibly make amends
if they are truly clean on all that.

Anyway, it is a case of major concern, I hope we as an international
coalition follow it as closely and mobilize ourselves as strongly as if it
was a case related to China or Iran. In fact, if the case proves to be
solid, the consequences would go much beyond national surveillance.

It seems Anonymous has published some related documents today:
http://gizmodo.com/anonymous-just-leaked-a-trove-of-nsa-documents-511854773

Marília

On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh at hserus.net>wrote:

>  I agree with nick here
>
> --srs (htc one x)
>
> On 7 June 2013 9:34:20 PM Nick Ashton-Hart ** wrote:
>
> Dear Parminder,
>
> I have previously disclosed that fact ad-nauseum, on this list, and quite
> recently as you are well aware. In this case, I'm making an observation
> that's not connected to my day-job; I'm watching this story unfold via
> reportage just like everyone else is (and, personally, am pretty horrified
> by what I'm reading).
>
> On 7 Jun 2013, at 17:47, parminder <parminder at itforchange.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday 07 June 2013 08:26 PM, Nick Ashton-Hart wrote:
>
> It is worth noting that the companies have all denied involvement
> categorically, as has been reported subsequently to the original reportage.
>
>
> Dear Nick,
>
> I agree that the fact that these companies have denied involvement may
> need to be highlighted. However, I'd very much appreciate that while making
> such a posting as above you declare your job as representing the interests
> of at least some of these companies. Unlike what you may assume, not every
> reader would know that. This is a normal tenet of public discussions.
> Thanks.
>
> parminder
>
>
>  On 7 Jun 2013 16:52, "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Guardian:
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>>
>> Washington Post:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story_1.html
>>
>> some of the slides
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/
>>
>> Participating companies in chronological order: Microsoft, Yahoo,
>> Google, Facebook, PalTalk, YouTube, Skype, AOL, Apple. Dropbox
>> apparently next up.
>>
>>
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