[governance] Potential IGC letter to US gov (was Re: NET NEUTRALITY AND MORE)

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

As far as I know, the chair of the GAC is one of 2 people responsible for picking the membership on all AOC review teams.  

And counting experts and ex-officio, who are the same as members in all respects except for the appointment process, 7 out of 16 fully participating members of the ATRT2 are Government - only 1 from the US.

avri



On 1 Jun 2013, at 06:18, Mawaki Chango wrote:

> Precisely, in this line of thought, is it desirable then to work towards an AoC type of agreement between ICANN and GAC members, ultimately? Which AoC will then supersede the current one with a single government.
>  
> There was a time an international framework convention was advocated by a well respected US academic institution, now we understand it is out of date (and we know now Internet is averse to international treaties.) Would a multilateral AoC between ICANN and GAC make sense? Because otherwise, GAC just looks like an informal collection of governments taking sometimes the freedom to push for a position that would be illegal even in their own country (making ICANN into an informal market for government policy, notwithstanding whatever is in the ICANN Bylaws about GAC).
>  
> I shall add if such multilateral AoC were to be the way, when comes the time, I'd expect the drafting/negotiation phase to go through iterations for multistakeholder and internet community inputs.
>  
> Mawaki
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Sonigitu Ekpe <soekpe at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to John's opinion on ......."ICANN having solid multiple-government  AoC-based oversight,"...........
> 
> Sonigitu Ekpe Aji :-@ SEA
> 
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> On Jun 1, 2013 4:55 AM, "John Curran" <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
> On May 28, 2013, at 12:12 PM, Avri Doria <avri at ella.com> wrote:
> 
> > - the Affirmation of Commitments reviews, including the Accountability and Transparency Review Team I am currently on, are a soft oversight mechanism.  And I think a rather clever one at that - though I am presumptuous enough  to beleive most people don't understand how really clever it is..   I don't think that even ICANN fully understands or accepts it yet, (see how presumptuous an idiot savant can be?) I think once it is fully developed (we are only in the second iteration) and ICANN learns to accept it as oversight, I think a certain level of maturity will have been demonstrated.
> 
> Avri - Excellent observation.
> 
> Having strong and successful Affirmation of Commitments processes (including
> multiple government participation) is very likely a key prerequisite before any
> possible change to the unique USG oversight role for ICANN...  In particular,
> one has to be confident that any future ICANN that might "go off the rails" can
> (through its own mechanisms such as reconsideration and external mechanisms such
> as the AoC) be brought back to proper performance of its coordination role on
> behalf of the global Internet community.
> 
> A question to the USG (regarding ending the USG's unique role) is only germane
> when the precondition is met of ICANN having solid multiple-government AoC-based
> oversight, otherwise it is likely to be far too hypothetical for any meaningful
> response.
> 
> FYI,
> /John
> 
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> may increase one's risk of a systemic disorder.
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