[governance] IGF Cancelled

Fri Jul 26 12:02:49 EDT 2013

For better or for worse, the issue is not whether they would be  
precluded.

The question - all along - has been whether governments will choose,  
by their presence, to legitimize the activity.  And perhaps one day  
give it some place in the policy firmament, beyond being a talk shop.

When it may be taken - as independent, as proposed - away from nominal  
government tutelage, such as a governmental convener, this year  
Indonesia, and away from the UN ... then it becomes all those civil  
society types.  And perhaps their corporate sponsons, with their  
private business agendas.  They can talk all they want.  To whatever  
end they may enjoy hearing, among themselves ...

David

On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:50 AM, Deirdre Williams wrote:

> However - weighing in with Jeremy  and Ginger - I don't see that  
> having the meeting online would necessarily preclude the attendance  
> of governments?
> Deirdre
>
>
>
> On 26 July 2013 11:37, David Allen  
> <David_Allen_AB63 at post.harvard.edu> wrote:
> The desire to 'go independent' is always understandable.
>
> However.
>
> A, if not the, IGF challenge has been to get serious engagement by  
> governments, and most all governments.  Since governments hold the  
> power, such engagement is fundamental - without it, IGF is  
> effectively window dressing on the policy process.
>
> To 'go independent' virtually assures no prospect for serious, more- 
> or-less across the board, government engagement.  So no 'multi' in  
> the multi-stakeholder.  At least not that - essential - multi.
>
> Said with - nonetheless - full appreciation for all that Jeremy and  
> Ginger bring to the work.
>
> David
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Ginger Paque wrote:
>
>> Jeremy said:
>> Alternatively it could be time for the IGF to be reimagined in  
>> purely online form.  At least that would ensure that more attention  
>> is given to the remote participation experience.
>>
>> YES, Jeremy: it's time! I suggested this in today's MAG meeting,  
>> but there was not time to address the possibility. I do hope it is  
>> given serious consideration.
>>
>> gp
>>
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>> On 25 July 2013 22:44, Jeremy Malcolm <jeremy at ciroap.org> wrote:
>> On 26/07/13 11:37, genekimmelman at gmail.com wrote:
>>> I imagine other governments that really want the event to proceed  
>>> will now weigh in to help
>>
>> If not, then it will really confirm the contempt with which the IGF  
>> is held as a process.  There are Silicon Valley parties that have  
>> cost more than the IGF's $1.05M shortfall.
>>
>> Alternatively it could be time for the IGF to be reimagined in  
>> purely online form.  At least that would ensure that more attention  
>> is given to the remote participation experience.
>>
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