[governance] NTIA on certain geographic names...
Daniel Kalchev
daniel at digsys.bg
Wed Jul 10 07:36:35 EDT 2013
On 09.07.13 19:03, Chaitanya Dhareshwar wrote:
> Wouldnt the infinite combinations reduce the value of domains to dust?
> This would destroy the domain trading marketplaces in minutes. It'll
> also eliminate squatters which is good, but on the other side... not
> so good. Just my 2c.
By the way, domain names (and IP addresses for that matter) never had
any value as such. These are just strings of characters and numbers,
respectively.
It is the management of the domain that creates any value. Therefore a
well managed 'somename' in .mediocretld might be way more valuable than
'somename' in poorly managed .greattld. The value in domain names is not
'natural' -- it comes from someone's hard work.
This by the way is a good answer to someone who claims domain names are
'natural resource' and therefore subject to deliberate regulation.
From another perspective, amazon.com is only "good" because of all the
infrastructure behind it. If they chose so at the time, the same
infrastructure could sit behind say garbage.com and the "name" would be
just as attractive. 'amazon' in this case is not even an 'telling' word,
they could have used 'onlinetrading', no? :)
Daniel
> -C
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Mawaki Chango <kichango at gmail.com
> <mailto:kichango at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:10 PM, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
> <wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de
> <mailto:wolfgang.kleinwaechter at medienkomm.uni-halle.de>> wrote:
>
> You can have all kind of combinations.
>
> What about .zon? Then you can have ama.zon. What about .nia nd
> go for patago.nia, alba.nia, tanza.nia.
>
>
> Exactly!!! So that all the fuss about TLDs, trademarks and
> geographic names will become history, and ICANN will be much less
> about creating new rights or protecting vested interests! And then
> we can focus more on actual infrastructure and usage issues.
> mC
>
>
> Just playing with words :-))))
>
> w
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> Von: governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org
> <mailto:governance-request at lists.igcaucus.org> im Auftrag von
> Mawaki Chango
> Gesendet: Di 09.07.2013 16:00
> An: Internet Governance
> Betreff: Re: [governance] NTIA on certain geographic names...
>
>
> Hey,
>
>
> Just one crazy idea... Since domain names are not supposed to
> be trademarks or brand names, why should we/ICANN care about
> the integrity of a brand name at any given level (primary,
> secondary, etc.) of the DNS? In other words, we should be able
> to solve that problem by allowing ourselves to have domain
> names such as these:
>
> geo.amazon
> co.amazon
> geo.patagonia
> co.patagonia
>
> Why not? Especially if the Co's are just going to use their
> brand gTLD only for their corporate needs, and not to provide
> domain name registration to the public.
>
> Thanks, Avri, for the refreshing and update, which is helpful.
> Since I left the GNSO Council I've unfortunately had too many
> other things to read than ICANN's outputs, so wasn't so sure
> how much of those early ideas made it to the final policy. At
> least this gives me the illusion that I can still rely on my
> memory. The problem you're pointing to is a real problem with
> ICANN processes whereby a policy development process can take
> 5 years and more (how long for the Whois policy?), so much so
> that by the time it gets to implementation most of the people
> who participated in the design/development process are no
> longer around and their say, if and when they care to comment,
> is not given as much attention as it would have, had they
> still been in office/representation.
>
> Mawaki
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Roland Perry
> <roland at internetpolicyagency.com
> <mailto:roland at internetpolicyagency.com>> wrote:
>
>
> In message
> <CACTo+v8O__vkuZKDTs8SaNGS+gzhf_+_WmfJhBwHYLRyxn41Cw at mail.gmail.com
> <mailto:CACTo%2Bv8O__vkuZKDTs8SaNGS%2Bgzhf_%2B_WmfJhBwHYLRyxn41Cw at mail.gmail.com>
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> <mailto:CACTo%252Bv8O__vkuZKDTs8SaNGS%252Bgzhf_%252B_WmfJhBwHYLRyxn41Cw at mail.gmail.com>>
> >, at 10:18:42 on Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Mawaki Chango
> <kichango at gmail.com <mailto:kichango at gmail.com>> writes
>
>
> It makes sense to me that national sovereignty
> does not provide for any exclusive rights over the use of
> names of places or words of a language, even if that language
> is only spoken in one country on earth. However, the people
> living in those places (eg, cities) should have a say in one
> form or the other, to the extent that the name at hand
> unambiguously or presumptively designates one such place or
> that the TLD string is meant to do so. In other terms, this
> should be the business of the local community, not the central
> government
>
>
>
> Geographic names are a minefield. Paris, Texas; anyone?
>
> But the ICANN process decided (as it has before with
> countries) to use ISO lists. Although when I asked at an ICANN
> meeting, staff could not produce a copy of the list so that we
> could understand what it was we were potentially agreeing to.
>
> However, ISO (being to some extent based on places you
> might want to mail a letter to) does not recognise
> 'non-sovereign regions' like Scandinavia or Patagonia.
>
> It does, however, recognise regions within countries,
> like Delta (in Nigeria) which creates an instant conflict with
> a well known airline.
> --
> Roland Perry
>
>
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